Didn’t grant come from the Nike academy? He’s growth has always been a year or two behind.
Grant did well for Notts for a season and a half in League 2 scoring goals although was considered to be a passenger at times. He failed to impress at Luton in League 1 and had his loan terminated early. He then impressed at Mansfield for the remainder of the 2018/19 season.
He signed for Lincoln for an undisclosed fee in the summer of 2019. In the 2019 season he scored 2 goals for Lincoln in League 1. It’s only this season just gone that he managed to replicate his League 2 scoring form.
I’m not in the know, but his sale to Lincoln was probably as much a case of Grant wanting to leave Forest for first team football as it was Forest looking to offload as they thought he wouldn’t make the step up .
Grant was nowhere near ready for first team football here. Not even close. He was 21 when he left but built like a 14 year old, and hadn't asserted himself in any of the games he started.
He's done really well to get his career where it is now, but he could have quite easily ended up in semi-pro leagues too. There was absolutely no guarantees he would ever turn out to be anything half decent.
It is frighteningly likely that we discarded someone with genuine confidence and a goal-scoring ability, for not having put a bit of bulk on at a young age.
It is frighteningly likely that we discarded someone with genuine confidence and a goal-scoring ability, for not having put a bit of bulk on at a young age.
you can't wait around for players forever.
Ah. Like we risk doing with Carvalho then?
Ah. Like we should with Carvalho then.
Ah. Like we risk doing with Carvalho then?
Lol at "genuine goal-scoring ability" for Carvalho. 0 goals in 32 this season
It is frighteningly likely that we discarded someone with genuine confidence and a goal-scoring ability.
But he didn't display those things when he was here.
There are probably hundreds of Forest youth products that have been given a few games at senior level and shown a tiny bit of promise that we could have kept and attempted to nurture but instead we released and they have ended up nowhere.
Barry Roche, Spencer Weir Daly, Gregor Robertson, Alex Iacovitti, Adam Newbold, Mark Byrne, Anel.. for starters.
I think he did show his shooting ability while he was with us at first team level. Trouble was he was very lightweight and was clearly a luxury carry in midfield that we couldn't afford....
The fact posh are the championship club who took a gamble probably says what it needs to say.
The team who were the in the top 1 joint goalscorers out of all 92 league clubs, alongside other top 1 team Man City? (both with 83 goals for)
Yep. Says to me they know a goal-scorer when they see one. Is he up to Champ level? We'll see this season I guess.
Ah, goalscoring. Something the Vrentroz era has seemed utterly determined to beat out of Nottingham Forest's core for 3 1/2 years.
Alf-the Grant situation played out before Vrentroz I think?-my memory is it was 2017 or so-he was pretty much out on loan from there on.
Agree that Posh know goal scorers but their model is just another moneyball variant, one where they specialise in show casing goal scorers because its high reward (and probably high risk as well) but its very specific and wouldn't suit us because I am certain this comes at the expense of other aspects of the team and I don't think that would be acceptable at most clubs and certainly not Forest.
I think its safe to say that if we had the Grant 2021 model on our books now and not the 2017 one he would be under contract here and being used. But whilst there have been many terrible player mistakes here Jorge Grant isn't one I loose sleep over. I honestly don't think we would have got him rounded out as a midfielder sufficiently from where he was in 2017 within our first team. I think the fans would have been on his back after a short while when other teams were strolling through our midfield and we were loosing games as a a result and so the move to Lincoln was, even in retrospect the right one for all parties.
Anticipating your come back on this, I wouldn't apply that logic for all the youngsters we've given up on and shifted out. Several might have been OK, but in Grants specific circumstances in 2017 I don't believe that was the case