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Jorge Grant
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Thomas
AMERICAN IDIOT
Didn’t grant come from the Nike academy? He’s growth has always been a year or two behind.
Yes he did.
It's Baggio
John Robertson
Taking 16 penalties helped.
BryanRoy
Stuart Pearce
Quite an achievement with the amount of clubs that have been linked to him in the last 18-24 months.
It seemed QPR were all but set to be announced but it looks like Posh now.
It seemed QPR were all but set to be announced but it looks like Posh now.
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
Grant was nowhere near ready for first team football here. Not even close. He was 21 when he left but built like a 14 year old, and hadn't asserted himself in any of the games he started.
He's done really well to get his career where it is now, but he could have quite easily ended up in semi-pro leagues too. There was absolutely no guarantees he would ever turn out to be anything half decent.
He's done really well to get his career where it is now, but he could have quite easily ended up in semi-pro leagues too. There was absolutely no guarantees he would ever turn out to be anything half decent.
Matt
Stuart Pearce
BryanRoy
Stuart Pearce
Getting a little Championship Forest academy gang going.
Osborn, Grant, Walker, Burke, Brereton
Osborn, Grant, Walker, Burke, Brereton
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
It is frighteningly likely that we discarded someone with genuine confidence and a goal-scoring ability, for not having put a bit of bulk on at a young age.
Berkshire Red
Jack Armstrong
He could well be back in League One soon then. Doubt he'll get near double figures, Posh won't win as many penalties as the Imps did.
Rzar
Bob McKinlay
Or that he just wasn't good enough. He's had 5 years of football since he last played the Championship, you can't wait around for players forever.
I hope he does well and will be happy if he does, mainly because it was the right decision to sell him when we did.
Ah. Like we risk doing with Carvalho then?
Ah. Like we should with Carvalho then.
Tobias
Jack Burkitt
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Lol at "genuine goal-scoring ability" for Carvalho. 0 goals in 32 this season
Lol at confidence too for that matter, Carvalho's been a fragile princess until now.
Also:
Grant fee = £0, Grant rumoured Wage currently = 3k/wk = £156k/year
Carvalho fee = £13.2m, Carvalho rumoured Wage = £15k/wk = £3.42m/year
1 year of Carvlaho buys you 21 years of Grant.
You have exactly right there the failed logic of this club, and why Vrentroz was putting us in such a mess.
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DanR
Steve Chettle
Feel the potential.
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
But he didn't display those things when he was here.
There are probably hundreds of Forest youth products that have been given a few games at senior level and shown a tiny bit of promise that we could have kept and attempted to nurture but instead we released and they have ended up nowhere.
Barry Roche, Spencer Weir Daly, Gregor Robertson, Alex Iacovitti, Adam Newbold, Mark Byrne, Anel.. for starters.
congo_red_49
Ale Ape
I think he’s made a good move. He’ll fit in well in the Peterborough style of play and I’d be very surprised if he doesn’t enhance his reputation, even in a relegation battle.
cheapseats
Grenville Morris
I think he did show his shooting ability while he was with us at first team level. Trouble was he was very lightweight and was clearly a luxury carry in midfield that we couldn't afford....
like carvalho then with the same situation except with lesser goals but keyword being 'potential'.
Raymondo Ponte'
It's all about mid-table...
We've had shed loads of "potential" down the years, but we haven't finished up with enough wood for a bolsa wood frame.
GOBIAS
Ian Bowyer
The fact posh are the championship club who took a gamble probably says what it needs to say.
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
The team who were the in the top 1 joint goalscorers out of all 92 league clubs, alongside other top 1 team Man City? (both with 83 goals for)
Yep. To me mate that says they know a goal-scorer when they see one. Is he up to Champ level? We'll see this season I guess.
Ah, goalscoring. Something the Vrentroz era has seemed utterly determined to beat out of Nottingham Forest's core for 3 1/2 years.
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cheapseats
Grenville Morris
Alf-the Grant situation played out before Vrentroz I think?-my memory is it was 2017 or so-he was pretty much out on loan from there on.
Agree that Posh know goal scorers but their model is just another moneyball variant, one where they specialise in show casing goal scorers because its high reward (and probably high risk as well) but its very specific and wouldn't suit us because I am certain this comes at the expense of other aspects of the team and I don't think that would be acceptable at most clubs and certainly not Forest.
I think its safe to say that if we had the Grant 2021 model on our books now and not the 2017 one he would be under contract here and being used. But whilst there have been many terrible player mistakes here Jorge Grant isn't one I loose sleep over. I honestly don't think we would have got him rounded out as a midfielder sufficiently from where he was in 2017 within our first team. I think the fans would have been on his back after a short while when other teams were strolling through our midfield and we were loosing games as a a result and so the move to Lincoln was, even in retrospect the right one for all parties.
Anticipating your come back on this, I wouldn't apply that logic for all the youngsters we've given up on and shifted out. Several might have been OK, but in Grants specific circumstances in 2017 I don't believe that was the case
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Grant went to Lincoln July 2019. I'm not sure how loaning him out effects that mate? Young players need loans to develop. Doesn't mean that they're not fancied. Ultimately the decision to sell 2019 was the key moment, and that was very much Pea-face's tenure.
For an undisclosed fee to a club who's record signing was £100k in 2018 let's not forget. SO we'd have got f*** all for him too.
It's not about the player and whether he would or wouldn't make it. It's about the fact that Vrentroz was discarding players with potential already here and on a low wage, for ones which cost far, far more both to bring and keep here.
It's a balance between all approaches, and our has been f***ing awful.