Murillo Santiago Costa dos Santos

[PynchonForest]

Murillo will be gone by the 30th June to comply with the rules, yes he’s very good but he is replaceable unlike MGW

He's better than MGW. Right now. I still don't quite get why a decent chunk of people in here think MGW is the some sort of superstar in waiting. He's wildly inconsistent and spends large chunks of the game doing next to nothing. His dead balls are rubbish. Almost all things go through him at our club and his numbers aren't exactly mind blowing. And, at the age of 24, he is, by and large, the finished product, almost certainly. If we can con someone into paying 50+ million for him we should do so immediately and watch him flounder somewhere else. I just looked up interest and two clubs popped up, Spurs and Newcastle. I have no idea why Spurs are interested. Maddison is a way better player. Newcastle, who are scheduled to (apparently) lose Almiron would seem a likely destination, but they are not a top four side and might even miss out on Europe entirely. For all our cheerleading of the guy nobody of real note seems to be terribly interested. Murillo is a half step away from being a world class center back, imho. He would fit into a club like City with relative ease, once he became familiar with how Pep operated. The list of clubs interested in Murillo speaks for itself. The lack of equitable clubs interested in MGW speaks, imho, volumes. Having said all of that, we should expect to lose both of them (and a half dozen others) if we go down. If we stay up, both MGW and Murillo will probably exit stage left. Murillo has bigger fish to fry and he'll have outgrown a relegation battling side. MGW, I think, will jump at a chance to play for a bigger side. Murillo will be very difficult to replace. MGW, I don't think so.

 

[Captain Sinister]

And so the EPL PARADOX can be seen:
To survive in the EPL recently promoted clubs have to invest in Premier League quality players.
To survive in the EPL PSR recently promoted clubs have to sell their best players.
If he was still alive Douglas Adam’s would have the material for the most perplexing addition to “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy “ series.
Actually, he would dismiss it as not having the slightest germ of credibility that successful sci-fi needs to attract readers.

 

[Red Dog in a Forest]

Don't be daft. No-one is going to pay 70m for a talented young centre-back that can't head it. Konate is 24. Murillo is a good player but the difference between Murillo and a top-quality young defender such as Konate is, well, quite large.

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£75m…two years ago.

 

[Strummer]

And so the EPL PARADOX can be seen:
To survive in the EPL recently promoted clubs have to invest in Premier League quality players.
To survive in the EPL PSR recently promoted clubs have to sell their best players.
If he was still alive Douglas Adam’s would have the material for the most perplexing addition to “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy “ series.
Actually, he would dismiss it as not having the slightest germ of credibility that successful sci-fi needs to attract readers.

Actually, I think Douglas already nailed it, with his depiction of God‘s final message to his creation; which frankly should be adopted as a motto by every promoted club, as a response to the Premier League for the absolute temerity of getting promoted:

„We apologise for the inconvenience“

 

[MASE]

He's better than MGW. Right now. I still don't quite get why a decent chunk of people in here think MGW is the some sort of superstar in waiting. He's wildly inconsistent and spends large chunks of the game doing next to nothing. His dead balls are rubbish. Almost all things go through him at our club and his numbers aren't exactly mind blowing. And, at the age of 24, he is, by and large, the finished product, almost certainly. If we can con someone into paying 50+ million for him we should do so immediately and watch him flounder somewhere else. I just looked up interest and two clubs popped up, Spurs and Newcastle. I have no idea why Spurs are interested. Maddison is a way better player. Newcastle, who are scheduled to (apparently) lose Almiron would seem a likely destination, but they are not a top four side and might even miss out on Europe entirely. For all our cheerleading of the guy nobody of real note seems to be terribly interested. Murillo is a half step away from being a world class center back, imho. He would fit into a club like City with relative ease, once he became familiar with how Pep operated. The list of clubs interested in Murillo speaks for itself. The lack of equitable clubs interested in MGW speaks, imho, volumes. Having said all of that, we should expect to lose both of them (and a half dozen others) if we go down. If we stay up, both MGW and Murillo will probably exit stage left. Murillo has bigger fish to fry and he'll have outgrown a relegation battling side. MGW, I think, will jump at a chance to play for a bigger side. Murillo will be very difficult to replace. MGW, I don't think so.

MGW is tasked with carrying our entire attacking threat, his set pieces are poor granted, but he remains the only player at the club capable of carrying the football & he brings everyone together. Thats hardly a ringing endorsement given our position, but his class is there for all to see when the team is given licence, which i dont believe it is as we speak.

Has Murillo proved that much yet? Theres tons of hype, but not much substance, I reckon the lads playing more for a bigger move than the team half the time. He's still jumping under crosses & a few of his outballs have you cover your eyes. Nowhere near the finished product.

Some persepective there, I can't have your MGW/Murillo comparison given their relative roles at the club.

 

[chaospunx]

MGW is tasked with carrying our entire attacking threat, his set pieces are poor granted, but he remains the only player at the club capable of carrying the football & he briongs everyone together. Thats hardly a ringing endorsement given our position, but his class is there for all to see when the team is given licence, which i dont believe it is as we speak.

Has Murillo proved that much yet? Theres tons of hype, but not much substance, I reckon the lads playing more for a bigger move than the team half the time. He's still jumping under crosses & a few of his outballs have you cover your eyes. Nowhere near the finished product.

Some persepective there, I can't have your MGW/Murillo comparison given their relative roles at the club.

Absolutely I dread to think where this club would be this season without MGW I honestly do one of the lasting legacys of Steve Cooper pushing for that signing I'd take him off set pieces or at least half of them but I can't fault him other than that works tirelessly I love murillo but I'd sell him all day long before selling MGW

 

[Strummer]

Much as I enjoy watching Murillo play, he would be somewhat easier to replace from the transfer market than Morgan Gibbs-White would be, given their respective importance to the team.

 

[Haych]

If it’s MGW or Murillo who has to be sacrificed it’s bye bye Murillo for me.

A replacement for Gibbs White would cost 40 million where we may already have Murillos replacement at the club in Omobamidele.

I’d rather keep both of em mind you.

 

[BringBackJemo]

Surely everyone can see Murillo was only ever a short term investment - regardless of staying up. Whether its because of financial necessity or 'simply' the desire to run a profitable club, I think he and Danilo are simply here to showcase and move on as soon and as quickly as the money is right. Unfortunately that's where our club is - long gone are the days of having England internationals across the pitch. FFP has illustrated further that there's a mini league that the rest of us serve only to feed. Essentially outside the top six, the rest of us are here to make the best we can of it whilst trialling players until they inevitably join the party.

 

[Chappers85]

And so the EPL PARADOX can be seen:
To survive in the EPL recently promoted clubs have to invest in Premier League quality players.
To survive in the EPL PSR recently promoted clubs have to sell their best players.
If he was still alive Douglas Adam’s would have the material for the most perplexing addition to “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy “ series.
Actually, he would dismiss it as not having the slightest germ of credibility that successful sci-fi needs to attract readers.

Actually, I think Douglas already nailed it, with his depiction of God‘s final message to his creation; which frankly should be adopted as a motto by every promoted club, as a response to the Premier League for the absolute temerity of getting promoted:

„We apologise for the inconvenience“

Now that I think about it, there is something bureaucratically Vogon about the EPL...except less efficient. Although our finance department seem to have taken the theory of Bistromathics way too far!

 

[Matt]

If we sell MGW, we stop playing a system with a 10. We simply would not be able to replace him with a player of equivalent quality to justify having a player in that position. The problem with that is we would have to radically change the team in order to change the system as we've been recruiting for a very specific style in the last 24 (arguably 36) months.

Sell Murillo and the system doesn't really change. That's the existential issue facing the club.

I actually believe the days of selling players for £60m+ are past us. I suspect the market has hit a saturation point, and IMO all the ridiculous fees in summer 2023 were basically funded by the Saudi league decided to buy up half of the footballing talent available which won't happen again. I suspect the market value for players is going to drop a bit over the next 2 years as clubs try to manage their PSR limits.

 

[Raymondo Ponte']

It needs to drop 75% same as the ludicrous wages.
Ban agents, that would save football.

 

[PynchonForest]

It needs to drop 75% same as the ludicrous wages.
Ban agents, that would save football.

Don't hold your breath on that one. I do think the Saudi influenced blip was an anomaly. The dynamics of the league obviously are not sustainable, as the attendances bear out. But a massive drop in wages and transfer fees will not occur. A slight reduction, sure. But getting over 50 million for Murillo or MGW is feasible.

 

[Est.1865]

Said it before…

Real Madrid.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

If we sell MGW, we stop playing a system with a 10. We simply would not be able to replace him with a player of equivalent quality to justify having a player in that position. The problem with that is we would have to radically change the team in order to change the system as we've been recruiting for a very specific style in the last 24 (arguably 36) months.

Sell Murillo and the system doesn't really change. That's the existential issue facing the club.

I actually believe the days of selling players for £60m+ are past us. I suspect the market has hit a saturation point, and IMO all the ridiculous fees in summer 2023 were basically funded by the Saudi league decided to buy up half of the footballing talent available which won't happen again. I suspect the market value for players is going to drop a bit over the next 2 years as clubs try to manage their PSR limits.

Think you're right in much of this post, although the largest clubs in the world will still throw a lot of money around it's just the mid-sized clubs will reign it in a bit. Question is can we flog Murillo to a Liverpool, Man City or Real Madrid? I'm not sure we will be able to after a single season.

 

[valspoodle]

Well, we're going to have to sell someone because we're possibly going to be in the same hole as Everton are this season, I call it fiscal drag after the Tory 'stealth' increase in Income Tax.

Because we're in such a bother this season , it's going to drag into next season with the same result.

 

[Listen 'ere young man]

Aren't we getting another €20m for Mangala as well?

Plus another £90m in case of avoiding relegation. To make 35m loss on top of that is going to be good going.

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[DizzyBala]

I must be the only Forest fan that doesn't think we'd get anything north of £35m for him. I've seen some ridiculous figures like £80m. We've had one of the worst defences in the league this year, Murillo is 5ft 11 and he's not even eligible for the English player tax as he's Brazilian. He's in his first season of first team football as well.

Great potential, but he's nowhere near the finished article.

If teams know we're hard up for cash, they'll drive down the price and most of the Premierleague for example is at their cap for spending.

 

[Captain Sinister]

I must be the only Forest fan that doesn't think we'd get anything north of £35m for him. I've seen some ridiculous figures like £80m. We've had one of the worst defences in the league this year, Murillo is 5ft 11 and he's not even eligible for the English player tax as he's Brazilian. He's in his first season of first team football as well.

Great potential, but he's nowhere near the finished article.

If teams know we're hard up for cash, they'll drive down the price and most of the Premierleague for example is at their cap for spending.

You are not alone in your analysis.
The one variable not factored in is that he would probably be a lot better in a team with decent players around him, and decent defensive coaches.

 

[Harry1982]

You are not alone in your analysis.
The one variable not factored in is that he would probably be a lot better in a team with decent players around him, and decent defensive coaches.

That track back and tackle when felippe lost it, was a class bit of play. In top teams that's the difference between winning and losing, the fact is as a team we're not on the level when the opposition only get 2 or 3 clear cut chances, his quality will show especially in a team that's not put to the sword week in, week out.

His better then caicedo that chelsea payed 100mill for last season. The top 6 are not subject to the same sustainability rules as the rest of us just because of the revenue that they make, all top 6 make north of 500 million a season, how you can breach making that sort of revenue in madness. A price war for murillo is inevitable, the vision he has, the ability to track back, in a quality side he would be immense.

 

[Strummer]

I could see Chelsea being interested, simply because they have lots of money, and they spend it like a drunk sailor on his first shore-leave for six months.

And, Thiago Silva is not getting any younger.

 

[Gyros Peter]

This time next month he'll be 5'8". Shrinking asset ftw!

 

[Captain Sinister]

That track back and tackle when felippe lost it, was a class bit of play. In top teams that's the difference between winning and losing, the fact is as a team we're not on the level when the opposition only get 2 or 3 clear cut chances, his quality will show especially in a team that's not put to the sword week in, week out.

His better then caicedo that chelsea payed 100mill for last season. The top 6 are not subject to the same sustainability rules as the rest of us just because of the revenue that they make, all top 6 make north of 500 million a season, how you can breach making that sort of revenue in madness. A price war for murillo is inevitable, the vision he has, the ability to track back, in a quality side he would be immense.

He is also a) taller than, and b) better than Man Ure's Argentinian centre back, Lisandro Martinez.
Martinez cost Man U £49 million with add-ons £8.5 million.
Market price of players is falling because of FFP, and the rich clubs using Forest's need to sell to avoid FFP points deduction next season to cheapskate us.
I still think somewhere north of £40 million, with add-ons is the minimum we should get for Murillo.
As for selling him: how is any ambitious club going to be able to build a competitive team if they have to sell every good player they attract?
Yes, Brighton have managed to do that, but it is only a matter of time before their good fortune in unearthing cheap unknown players who become superstars runs out.

 

[GOBIAS]

I must be the only Forest fan that doesn't think we'd get anything north of £35m for him. I've seen some ridiculous figures like £80m. We've had one of the worst defences in the league this year, Murillo is 5ft 11 and he's not even eligible for the English player tax as he's Brazilian. He's in his first season of first team football as well.

Great potential, but he's nowhere near the finished article.

If teams know we're hard up for cash, they'll drive down the price and most of the Premierleague for example is at their cap for spending.

He’s 6ft. I think you are getting mixed up with his width. He’s 5ft 11 wide

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

Aren't we getting another €20m for Mangala as well?

Plus another £90m in case of avoiding relegation. To make 35m loss on top of that is going to be good going

The extra £90m (the difference between a year of PL revenue and a year of parachute payments) is already spent. We've got to pay a years worth of the amortised £250m odd we've spent plus whatever the wage bill is. Combination of both will be fast on excess of £90, and so even with Mangala and Johnson money the prospect of still making a loss is possible, maybe probable.

Worth noting our loss allowance will grow by £18m next season too.