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John Robertson
Matt Turner had played 7 games in European football. It was a weird transfer last year and I’ve still no idea if he’s any good but it’s about as uninspiring as it gets.
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Matthew Charles Turner
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GOBIAS
Ian Bowyer
How is he with his feet?
Harrison
Jack Armstrong
He would have suited the prem down to the ground. Shithousery unmatched too.
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
It's irrelevant really though I guess we all like to make comparisons.
Aina is our player, he cost us nothing, and can play CB, LB and RB.
Lodi was not our player but we got his services last season. He has just gone to OM for what, 15+m, who even knows if we'd matched that fee and wages if he would have come to us anyway. He can also only play LB.
Last season we lost Richards to injury, for the whole season. Lodi and Toffolo also had spells where they were carrying knocks. Aurier had a spell out and so did Neco although in the latter that was a bit of an unfortunate accident. In terms of CBs we at one stage were down to Worrall and Felipe as we had McKenna, Boly, Niakhate and Biancone out injured, had Cook at the club but couldn't register him.
This time out we have to register Johnson and Williams in the 25 as they are now old enough to need it.
I know Neco can play LB as well as RB, I know Biancone and Aurier can play CB as well as RB, but we are short of options in the squad where a single player can cover many positions.
In terms of the 25 and squad depth Aina is decent and by all accounts he isn't a bad player either, he's come from the Italian league which is stereotypically strong on defending so presumably has ability as well as versatility.
Singularly in terms of ability to play the LB position Lodi is probably better but if you consider we might have had no chance at all of getting him permanently then the situation is somewhat academic.
Ditto Henderson or Navas, it may be that Man U pissing around draw us to other targets like Turner, it may be we decide against Navas due to his increasing age and cost even for another loan, or the player might have other options, these may not be possible for whatever reason. At the end of the day we can only get players who can come.
We also have to think about FFP so we can't splash too much and also, options in the 25 man squad when we already have plenty of players who could play for us but would need registering and aren't good enough who we need to loan out or move on (Panzo, Laryea, Mbe Soh, Hwang, Bowler, Cook for example).
EmmersonForest4
Steve Chettle
Statto if they are the best we can get than it is what it is, Ive got no problem but we do have weaker 11 than last year if its Turner and Aina in my view. I actually quite like the Aina signing cause we need is versatility as a squad player. I just dont think he is better than Lodi at LB so we are weaker. Is what it is
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
He's their first choice internationally (though the choice is admittedly he, Zach Steffen and Horvath) and played well enough in the MLS for Arsenal to spend 10m on him when they still had Aaron Ramsdale. Arteta isn't a mug and they aren't exactly flush with cash so presumably he has some ability.
Downside for him is that as well as clubs not rotating keepers much if at all Ramsdale is rarely if at all injured and extremely consistent so it's unlikely he'll get action without the cups and also, that with Raya coming in that will be even less so.
I don't know much about him either, but the US have always produced good keepers - Tony Meola, Kasey Keller, Brad Friedel, Tim Howard, Brad Guzan, Marcus Hahnemann, most of which have had good careers at the top level and in the PL. Keller had been at Millwall a few years when Leics signed him but he was soon a good player for them. Friedel would have come to us but Cloughie couldn't get a WP for him and he ended up going to Liverpool a few years later then Blackburn and Spurs where he played for years and was always solid.
Bobby The Brain
Weasel
Friedel was a great (underrated?) keeper, didn’t know we almost signed him.
youreds1986
Geoff Thomas
I think Aina will be a good addition.
But he's not a CL standard Brazil international.
SouthManchesterTree
First Team Squad
when will Henderson be ready to play?
youreds1986
Geoff Thomas
I don't see how Arsenal can spend 10m on him, not really play him at all, look to bring in a new second choice keeper and then expect to sell him, as their 3rd choice, for 8m profit.
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
yes, for example
Tottenham's durable Brad Friedel has proved the shrewdest of signings | Paul Wilson
Paul Wilson: Age shows no signs of diminishing the effectiveness of Tottenham's 'daddy goalkeeper'
www.theguardian.com
PynchonForest
John Robertson
For my money, Turner is every bit as good as Henderson. He's a big strong fearless type and if we can get him we should drop our Tolkien-esque quest for Hendo and grab this guy.
Samba's Water Bottle
First Team Squad
And somehow he's now worth treble what Arsenal paid for him last year
Ashley
Steve Chettle
I wouldn't be unhappy with Turner, he's always seemed decent from what I have seen of him. But Arsenal asking for £18m for a 29 year old who is 2nd (soon to be 3rd) choice at his current club is taking the piss IMO. I think the £12m we have offered Arsenal for Turner is more than generous, and if they won't accept that then we should move on from him (and Henderson, which is a saga that I am also sick of at this point) and look elsewhere.
Omar Devone Little
Mr Realistic
If we pay anymore than about £6m for Turner someone at the club needs shooting.
Est.1865
Screw The PL
Matt & feet always work well together.
Ashley
Steve Chettle
He's probably worth a bit more than that, but I am really not a fan of spending eight-figure transfer fees on players in their late-20s/30s. Even the £12m we have offered for Turner is a bit on the high side IMO.
Spending big money on older players is a bad strategy for any club wanting to stay in line with FFP. I'm still in disbelief at the absolutely dreadful deal for Chris Wood (and then Giraldi trying to defend it as the most FFP friendly deal we could do!).
EmmersonForest4
Steve Chettle
How much would navas be for 1 season 10 mill all in? Better choice if we aint getting Hendo. I also like Livakvic
apondaway
Viv Anderson
Average. Certainly not his strength but it has improved in the past year at Arsenal. He's not one that will fuss about on the ball and be cute - he'll try to move the ball off quickly to a teammate
PynchonForest
John Robertson
12 million is fine for Turner. He's worth it. But I still think Dominik Livakovic, with his 9 million (?) release clause will be a complete steal for whomever ponies up. I just checked, Fenerbache have had 7.7 accepted. At times, you have to wonder what scouts are doing. Not just our club either.
Quarantine the Pass
First Team Squad
Livakovic all day for me, but I think Turner is pretty solid. He's been exceptional for the national team and was excellent in MLS. I know it's a shit league (except Chicago Fire) but I think goalkeeper is perhaps the one position that you can make a fairly safe judgment if they are any good or not.
More chance of Alex Turner.
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
There will be a reason why he is 28 and has not left Dinamo yet despite being the national team keeper at deep runs in tournaments.
Most of the talented players in that league go off to another league when they're a lot younger than that and he has been in their first team long enough to make over 200 appearances for them.
The release clause is quite low for a keeper who has played in a world cup semi final and presumably plenty in the champions league and it can't be that clubs haven't been aware of him because he's been around the top flight in Croatia and the national side for long enough (you only need to have been following the last world cup). So there has to be another reason why he hasn't been signed by anyone. Maybe this could be as simple as that he doesn't want to go and play abroad?
I guess sometimes looking good in a national side can be a bit misleading. He is surrounded by top defenders and other players like Modric who have been at the highest level of the game for years. Subasic who was there before played for Monaco. In the past they have also played (or had in squads) Simon Sluga who was at Luton for a while, and that lad who was a bit of a flapper at Villa whose name escapes me. We also had Stojkovic (who was Serbian) who was a flapper and eventually Mark Warburton preferred to play Jordan Smith. Muric was Kosovo's keeper when we had him on loan too. If you are the only one (or the best of a bunch of bad options) you will get caps even if you're not playing regularly for a club.
If we look at the USMNT keeper options, then it's largely between
Matt Turner, who has played only a few cup appearances for Arsenal
Zach Steffen, who is contracted to Man City but has only played twice for them, and spent last season on loan at Boro in the 2nd tier
Ethan Horvath (who we all know about)
None of them are getting regular football at their parent clubs so do they pick a MLS keeper who is but might not be as good?
There were rumours last year we were interested in Livakovic, maybe the club looked at him and didn't think he was worth it or good enough?
justnotjase
Viv Anderson
Such as?