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Ashley

Ashley

Steve Chettle
Statto said:
There will be a reason why he is 28 and has not left Dinamo yet despite being the national team keeper at deep runs in tournaments.

Most of the talented players in that league go off to another league when they're a lot younger than that and he has been in their first team long enough to make over 200 appearances for them.

The release clause is quite low for a keeper who has played in a world cup semi final and presumably plenty in the champions league and it can't be that clubs haven't been aware of him because he's been around the top flight in Croatia and the national side for long enough (you only need to have been following the last world cup). So there has to be another reason why he hasn't been signed by anyone. Maybe this could be as simple as that he doesn't want to go and play abroad?

I guess sometimes looking good in a national side can be a bit misleading. He is surrounded by top defenders and other players like Modric who have been at the highest level of the game for years. Subasic who was there before played for Monaco. In the past they have also played (or had in squads) Simon Sluga who was at Luton for a while, and that lad who was a bit of a flapper at Villa whose name escapes me. We also had Stojkovic (who was Serbian) who was a flapper and eventually Mark Warburton preferred to play Jordan Smith. Muric was Kosovo's keeper when we had him on loan too. If you are the only one (or the best of a bunch of bad options) you will get caps even if you're not playing regularly for a club.

If we look at the USMNT keeper options, then it's largely between
Matt Turner, who has played only a few cup appearances for Arsenal
Zach Steffen, who is contracted to Man City but has only played twice for them, and spent last season on loan at Boro in the 2nd tier
Ethan Horvath (who we all know about)
None of them are getting regular football at their parent clubs so do they pick a MLS keeper who is but might not be as good?

There were rumours last year we were interested in Livakovic, maybe the club looked at him and didn't think he was worth it or good enough?
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Agree with this. I find it hard to believe that a player who is in his late 20s and is a regular for his national side has somehow slipped under the radar of all the clubs in the top European leagues. There must be a good reason why no one from a decent European league has taken a punt on him and that the only offer on the table at the moment is from a Turkish side. And I'm generally very sceptical of signing players who aren't playing in a decent league at his age.
 
Thomas

Thomas

Martel Maxwell Enjoyer
Matt Turner is an excellent keeper, wouldn’t mind this at all.

Especially if this meant more funds for a striker so we don’t have to play Wood ever again. His Simon Cox impression is excellent.
 
Danga

Danga

Formerly JLingz
gregor said:
I don't know much about Matt Turner or what he's worth, but anyone suggesting he's too old at 29 is talking absolute bull. As a goalkeeper he probably has four or five of his best years ahead of him.
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I don't think anyone is suggesting he is 'too old' I think what people are suggesting is that it doesn't fit the 'model' we seemingly are trying to replicate ala Brighton. At 29 he is only ever going to be a depreciating asset with little to no sell on value should we either get relegated or he performs well over his contract and another 'big' team comes sniffing around him.

But anyway, slightly baffled as to why people seem quite keen on him. 7 games last season for Arsenal in the cups, didn't make the move to Europe till his late 20's and not exactly a shoe-in for the USMNT as Steffan and Horvath (neither of whom are Premier League quality). He might be great, he might be shit, but it just seems a very odd gamble to be throwing a decent chunk of money at him (£12m is wild).

I still think it is just a ploy with United over the Henderson deal.
 
Thomas

Thomas

Martel Maxwell Enjoyer
JLingz Dancing Feet said:
I don't think anyone is suggesting he is 'too old' I think what people are suggesting is that it doesn't fit the 'model' we seemingly are trying to replicate ala Brighton. At 29 he is only ever going to be a depreciating asset with little to no sell on value should we either get relegated or he performs well over his contract and another 'big' team comes sniffing around him.

But anyway, slightly baffled as to why people seem quite keen on him. 7 games last season for Arsenal in the cups, didn't make the move to Europe till his late 20's and not exactly a shoe-in for the USMNT as Steffan and Horvath (neither of whom are Premier League quality). He might be great, he might be shit, but it just seems a very odd gamble to be throwing a decent chunk of money at him (£12m is wild).

I still think it is just a ploy with United over the Henderson deal.
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Turner is the main (and best) USMNT keeper. Neither Steffan or Horvath are used much anymore. I think they got replaced by Sean Johnson and the 19 year old from Chelsea Slonina.

However, Steffan and Horvath will probably still be in and around the backup spots.

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Robertson

Robertson

Geoff Thomas
JLingz Dancing Feet said:
I don't think anyone is suggesting he is 'too old' I think what people are suggesting is that it doesn't fit the 'model' we seemingly are trying to replicate ala Brighton. At 29 he is only ever going to be a depreciating asset with little to no sell on value should we either get relegated or he performs well over his contract and another 'big' team comes sniffing around him.

But anyway, slightly baffled as to why people seem quite keen on him. 7 games last season for Arsenal in the cups, didn't make the move to Europe till his late 20's and not exactly a shoe-in for the USMNT as Steffan and Horvath (neither of whom are Premier League quality). He might be great, he might be shit, but it just seems a very odd gamble to be throwing a decent chunk of money at him (£12m is wild).

I still think it is just a ploy with United over the Henderson deal.
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Yeah, fair enough, I probably agree with the bulk of your post. I'm certainly not sure why he's suddenly worth twice what Arsenal paid for him a year ago. So yeah, possibly just a ploy.

On investing in young goalkeepers though: Leeds went with Meslier (22) and Southhampton Bazunu (20) last year and got relegated. So you can go too far.
 
Thomas

Thomas

Martel Maxwell Enjoyer
gregor said:
Yeah, fair enough, I probably agree with the bulk of your post. I'm certainly not sure why he's suddenly worth twice what Arsenal paid for him a year ago. So yeah, possibly just a ploy.

On investing in young goalkeepers though: Leeds went with Meslier (22) and Southhampton Bazunu (20) last year and got relegated. So you can go too far.
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I think it’s down to his performance at the World Cup for the US and from memory, he was solid. He was one of, if not, the best keepers in the MLS before coming over.

Training with world class staff at Arsenal has undoubtedly improved him as well.


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C

Cirko

A. Trialist
Heffing Psycho! said:
29 year old American goalkeeper, currently at Arsenal..

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

Matt Turner - Player profile 23/24

Matt Turner, 29, from United States ➤ Nottingham Forest, since 2023 ➤ Goalkeeper ➤ Market value: €9.00m ➤ * Jun 24, 1994 in Park Ridge, New Jersey, United States
www.transfermarkt.co.uk www.transfermarkt.co.uk

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On transfermarkt the price for him is 8 million. Good price for such a goalkeeper. But it's just a rumour, right? Nothing's been decided yet?
 
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Heffing Psycho!

Heffing Psycho!

Steve Chettle
Seems to be a few rumours around this morning that Hendo has had a setback with his injury and will be out longer. Can't find a source for it though so could be bollocks.
 
Thomas

Thomas

Martel Maxwell Enjoyer
Heffing Psycho! said:
Seems to be a few rumours around this morning that Hendo has had a setback with his injury and will be out longer. Can't find a source for it though so could be bollocks.
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A setback after a setback, that’s insane bad luck if it’s true.


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E

Est.1865

WFCG
Heffing Psycho! said:
Seems to be a few rumours around this morning that Hendo has had a setback with his injury and will be out longer. Can't find a source for it though so could be bollocks.
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Thanks, that’s interesting, always been a concern hasn’t it, be keen to see what’s actually going on there.
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
Ashley said:
Agree with this. I find it hard to believe that a player who is in his late 20s and is a regular for his national side has somehow slipped under the radar of all the clubs in the top European leagues. There must be a good reason why no one from a decent European league has taken a punt on him and that the only offer on the table at the moment is from a Turkish side. And I'm generally very sceptical of signing players who aren't playing in a decent league at his age.
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I like him, really rate him as a keeper, but yes, it's a massive flag why he's still at Dinamo.
 
Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
Statto said:
I like him, really rate him as a keeper, but yes, it's a massive flag why he's still at Dinamo.
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Goalie, with a couple of exceptions, is not a glammer position, whatever we think.
There are a lot of decent goalies around, a club only needs 1 good goalie, plus a decent back up, and a trainee to put in crosses during warm-ups.
Hence a decent overseas keeper may well miss out on a big move to a Prem club, unless they are really really special.
I'm not sure the Dinamo lad is really special - he is just decent.
 
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Est.1865

WFCG
Bayern are also in for Raya so that clearly impacts what Arsenal are willing to do.

Edit - prefers a move to Arsenal so scrap that 😂
 
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Green Jumper

Green Jumper

"Nottingham Forest Are Premier League"
Livakovic isn't for Forest. As @Statto and @Ashley suggest, the fact he has reached 28 without playing in a top European league suggests he's not good enough.

A decent amount of the chat about him appears to have stemmed from his World Cup run in a Croatia team with world class defenders and Turkey is probably the right move for him.
 
Danga

Danga

Formerly JLingz
gregor said:
Yeah, fair enough, I probably agree with the bulk of your post. I'm certainly not sure why he's suddenly worth twice what Arsenal paid for him a year ago. So yeah, possibly just a ploy.

On investing in young goalkeepers though: Leeds went with Meslier (22) and Southhampton Bazunu (20) last year and got relegated. So you can go too far.
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I agree mate, but I think Henderson at 26, 3 years in to any prospective deal would only be 29 and if he performs as we would expect, you'd think he could get that 'big' move again and Forest could turn a profit. Or he could just a Pickford and stay long term. I am certainly not one advocating for a 20/21 year old as I think Forest especially need that level of experience.
Dogtits (I miss Scarpa) said:
I think it’s down to his performance at the World Cup for the US and from memory, he was solid. He was one of, if not, the best keepers in the MLS before coming over.

Training with world class staff at Arsenal has undoubtedly improved him as well.
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Let's take the Arsenal part out because that conjecture as we have such a small sample size of games to go off and we don't know if he has improved from training. Arsenal have turned £70m wingers like Pepe in to no hopers.

If we were signing him straight from New England Revolution to be our number 1, based on his MLS and International performances for £8-12m, would people really be happy with it? Like I say, he might be great, but with what I know about both, Henderson/Navas feels a clear upgrade.
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Bayern are also in for Raya so that clearly impacts what Arsenal are willing to do.
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I thought Romano had said Bayern are now out on Raya due to the fee?
 
Danga

Danga

Formerly JLingz
Green Jumper said:
Livakovic isn't for Forest. As @Statto and @Ashley suggest, the fact he has reached 28 without playing in a top European league suggests he's not good enough.

A decent amount of the chat about him appears to have stemmed from his World Cup run in a Croatia team with world class defenders and Turkey is probably the right move for him.
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I don't disagree, but shouldn't the same apply to Turner who was effectively brought to be a backup at Arsenal? I don't think a handful of cup appearances changes that too much IMO.
 
Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
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