Jed Wallace

[valspoodle]

Jed who? Last months chip paper.

 

[cheapseats]

Mine too, which I think reinforces the point. It's not his breakout season, he's been well known for a while. You think some club with ample money would have taken the punt already?



He was probably available for £5m-£7m or so in previous seasons gone by when under longer contract and wouldn't have demanded a wage that crazy. I just don't get why parachute clubs will circle now because he's cheaper, when they've already got tonnes of money thanks to that PL revenue (which they want more of, so willing to pay more to get back to it).

You've probably answered your own question here Maxi in that his contract and the fact Millwall wanted stupid money will have put people off.

Just like seriously rich people often are often tight and don't like wasting money, parachute clubs are more than not paranoid about having their pants pulled down so I'm not totally surprised no one took him when Millwall wanted a serious fee. I do think, however that a club on the rung above us (Norwich, Leeds etc) will take a punt on him in the summer and I think he will be massively out of our price range then.

 

[Listen 'ere young man]

On the bench tonight.

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[Captain Sinister]

Sources purporting to be "in the know" tell me that SC and DM differed on this one.
Both wanted to sign him, but DM said "not in January, for a fee; we'll get him in the summer on a free".
SC reportedly wanted to pay a fee and het JW in for the last third of the season.
I don't know how true it is.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

Sources purporting to be "in the know" tell me that SC and DM differed on this one.
Both wanted to sign him, but DM said "not in January, for a fee; we'll get him in the summer on a free".
SC reportedly wanted to pay a fee and het JW in for the last third of the season.
I don't know how true it is.

Sounds plausible but doesn't mean SC and DM weren't on the same page. Little doubt the club wanted to sign him in January and may have sanctioned a small fee, but weren't prepared to pay the £4-5m Millwall were probably seeking.

Suspect the conversation would have been if we pay that we need to lose Johnson to fund it.

 

[valspoodle]

I suspect these are the conversations which go on in pretty nearly every club every day. The gap between hope and reality, between those who pay the money and those who want the goods.

 

[Worsley Red]

Sources purporting to be "in the know" tell me that SC and DM differed on this one.
Both wanted to sign him, but DM said "not in January, for a fee; we'll get him in the summer on a free".
SC reportedly wanted to pay a fee and het JW in for the last third of the season.
I don't know how true it is.

I caught up with a "Red side of the Trent" podcast from mid-Feb, which Daniel Taylor guested on. They discussed Wallace (and Bowler) at length. The sticking point was perhaps this unwritten rule, or policy, that we are trying to avoid paying significant fee for anyone over the age of 26 (Wallace is 27). Taylor's take on it was that we were perhaps more likely to go back in the Summer for Josh Bowler, who at 23, fits the recruitment profile a little better. Apologies if this has already been covered above.

 

[cheapseats]

I caught up with a "Red side of the Trent" podcast from mid-Feb, which Daniel Taylor guested on. They discussed Wallace (and Bowler) at length. The sticking point was perhaps this unwritten rule, or policy, that we are trying to avoid paying significant fee for anyone over the age of 26 (Wallace is 27). Taylor's take on it was that we were perhaps more likely to go back in the Summer for Josh Bowler, who at 23, fits the recruitment profile a little better. Apologies if this has already been covered above.

Sounds plausible.

At the end of the date this is why Murphy is paid the big bucks.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

Still think Jed Wallace will be our #1 target in summer to replace Zinckernagel in that #10 role.

 

[valspoodle]

In the manner of buying a player known for one position and then transitioning him to another (K Burns?), that idea isn't way off. Our recruitment is going well at the moment and seems able to pluck players who would fit our system, but who are not regarded highly at their own clubs.

 

[cheapseats]

In the manner of buying a player known for one position and then transitioning him to another (K Burns?), that idea isn't way off. Our recruitment is going well at the moment and seems able to pluck players who would fit our system, but who are not regarded highly at their own clubs.

But that not the case with Wallace. Millwall rate him very highly, and theres no doubt they would've jumped at him signing an extension, hes just too good for them.

I would be pleased if hes our number 1 target because I've watched him closely for several years and I think hes the real deal. His stats at a club like Millwall are outstanding. But that's the problem, anyone else with their heads half screwed on will have noticed this so it will be about whose got the biggest bags of cash in the summer and I can't see us winning that...I still think we should have paid the 2M in January...

 

[cheapseats]

And as regards shelling out for him in January-I think him on the left, Brennan on the right and Davis in the middle would have been unstoppable....

 

[Ashley]

But that not the case with Wallace. Millwall rate him very highly, and theres no doubt they would've jumped at him signing an extension, hes just too good for them.

I would be pleased if hes our number 1 target because I've watched him closely for several years and I think hes the real deal. His stats at a club like Millwall are outstanding. But that's the problem, anyone else with their heads half screwed on will have noticed this so it will be about whose got the biggest bags of cash in the summer and I can't see us winning that...I still think we should have paid the 2M in January...

I think the same unfortunately. Being out of contract, he'll probably get a lot of interest from clubs with deeper pockets than Forest (should we not get promoted). I think our chance to sign him has probably been and gone now.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

I think the same unfortunately. Being out of contract, he'll probably get a lot of interest from clubs with deeper pockets than Forest (should we not get promoted). I think our chance to sign him has probably been and gone now.

He's been at Millwall for years. If other clubs wanted him they would have taken him by now, even if it meant paying £5m-£10m, it's pocket change for deep pocket clubs.

High chance he's ours in summer in my opinion, especially the way we're going.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

One more though, is he on set pieces for Millwall? I think he is right?

We're going to need someone to replace Garner on set pieces in summer so would add even more urgency to getting Wallace in.

 

[jamferg]

An indepth interview with him on Talksport a couple of days a go. Came across as intellegent and zero ego. I suspect Forest are looking for 'decent character ' as well as footballing nous.I cant imagine Cooper having much time for players such as Ravel Morrison et al.

 

[Ashley]

He's been at Millwall for years. If other clubs wanted him they would have taken him by now, even if it meant paying £5m-£10m, it's pocket change for deep pocket clubs.

High chance he's ours in summer in my opinion, especially the way we're going.

I remember similar things being said about the likes of Alex Mowatt, who then went to parachute payment club West Brom on a free transfer. Usually these kind of players tend to get hoovered up by the parachute payment clubs as soon as they become available on free transfers. I highly doubt he'll sign for Forest (or any other non-parachute payment club) personally. It'll be his last chance for a big contract this summer, so he'll probably go to a to a newly relegated side on £30-40k per week.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

I remember similar things being said about the likes of Alex Mowatt, who then went to parachute payment club West Brom on a free transfer. Usually these kind of players tend to get hoovered up by the parachute payment clubs as soon as they become available on free transfers. I highly doubt he'll sign for Forest (or any other non-parachute payment club) personally. It'll be his last chance for a big contract this summer, so he'll probably go to a to a newly relegated side on £30-40k per week.

Norwich and Watford are unlikely to be bidders given their usual transfer policy of buying foreign cheap. They won't want to pay £40k a week for him.

West Brom might fancy another roll of the dice but look miles off the pace of Forest at the moment, and other clubs might look at West Brom and go "Well they went for Mowatt and he's not been good enough for them, so would Wallace be the same for us?"

If we don't go up this year maybe we could tempt him with a big promotion bonus in the contract if we can't pay the wages up front? Loads of people said Garner wouldn't be here this season, that he'd either be in and around Man Utd squad or on loan to a mid-table PL side. The quality required (even if it's just expectation of quality) for PL football either currently or expected is quite large. I don't think many clubs will look at Wallace as an integral part of that so whilst they might talk to him about a deal they won't make him a priority.

We'll see. I think he'll be a Red in summer.

 

[Any Time Now]

Leeds seem committed to bringing him in, will offer higher wages than us but less game time. Depends what he's after

 

[Trents]

Leeds seem committed to bringing him in, will offer higher wages than us but less game time. Depends what he's after

Can't see us competing with any Prem team wages unless we go up ourselves. He's 28 now so a last shot at the big league would be attractive too.

 

[Master Yates]

But that not the case with Wallace. Millwall rate him very highly, and theres no doubt they would've jumped at him signing an extension, hes just too good for them.

I would be pleased if hes our number 1 target because I've watched him closely for several years and I think hes the real deal. His stats at a club like Millwall are outstanding. But that's the problem, anyone else with their heads half screwed on will have noticed this so it will be about whose got the biggest bags of cash in the summer and I can't see us winning that...I still think we should have paid the 2M in January...

2m wasn’t the price in January, Millwall were still insisting in pricing him out of a move. We’ll get him in July.


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[Ashley]

Norwich and Watford are unlikely to be bidders given their usual transfer policy of buying foreign cheap. They won't want to pay £40k a week for him.

West Brom might fancy another roll of the dice but look miles off the pace of Forest at the moment, and other clubs might look at West Brom and go "Well they went for Mowatt and he's not been good enough for them, so would Wallace be the same for us?"

If we don't go up this year maybe we could tempt him with a big promotion bonus in the contract if we can't pay the wages up front? Loads of people said Garner wouldn't be here this season, that he'd either be in and around Man Utd squad or on loan to a mid-table PL side. The quality required (even if it's just expectation of quality) for PL football either currently or expected is quite large. I don't think many clubs will look at Wallace as an integral part of that so whilst they might talk to him about a deal they won't make him a priority.

We'll see. I think he'll be a Red in summer.

I wouldn't rule out Watford, they do have tend to go for the odd experienced Championship player (i.e. when they signed Gosling after he snubbed us) when they are down here and no doubt offer better wages than us. There's also other relegated sides over the past few years that haven't gotten promoted and still get parachute payments, I'd be very surprised if none of them come in for him in the summer.

The difference with Garner is that he is still getting the same pay from his Man Utd contract regardless of where he went, so he could focus on choosing the best move for his development.

With Wallace, the next contract he gets will be the one that sets him up for life; given that he won't have been earning much at Millwall, he'll be looking to get as much money as possible. Given that we operate more frugally under Murphy's leadership, trying to outmatch other clubs offers to Wallace seems to be at odds with how we operate nowadays. I just don't see it happening.

 

[valspoodle]

Actually in my comment on Jed, I wasn't thinking at all in his future move, just on his football ability.

If I could sort out his move, why he wants to move and where, I'd be a wizard, not a lowly football fan.

 

[cheapseats]

We will see, but I don't expect he will have been making huge sums at Millwall even if hes their highest paid player, so this contract is the big one for him. 3 year deal at 30k a week and hes made and that will be too much for us I think.

I sort of agree with some of the comments above about the standard in the prem and if theres any weakness in Wallace its his lack of pace. That being said look at his figures for goals and assists, add to that that hes a very good deadball specialist and by and large he has a fairly good injury record. That ticks a lot of boxes, particularly when you've been delivering that at a club of the stature of Millwall.
So for those reasons I can't see him not flagging up on everyones moneyball radar and then it will be about money, unless a lad from the South east is missing the Nottingham air!

 

[Rzar]

You hope our persistence could play a part in him choosing to come here.

But if you offered me one or the other I would go for Bowler even though Wallace is a better player now.