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Current state of the squad

Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
I was surprised by this

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Gyros Peter

Gyros Peter

Sauce salad?
Rzar said:
I was surprised by this

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Must have done that after Santos went back. I'm not surprised - we had a run of signing/targeting athlete types a while back, and we have some units throughout. There's only really Montiel, Williams and maybe Morgan and Callum under six foot - I'm struggling to think of others... Elanga maybe?
 
valspoodle

valspoodle

Steve Chettle
I think the population in general is taller than it was. I was photographed in my school first XI in the late 50s and I was the tallest by a margin and I'm only 5'11". Now my sons in law tower over me and they are not regarded as tall.
 
Redemption

Redemption

Agenda Benda
valspoodle said:
I think the population in general is taller than it was. I was photographed in my school first XI in the late 50s and I was the tallest by a margin and I'm only 5'11". Now my sons in law tower over me and they are not regarded as tall.
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Over the 20th the average height in the UK increased by 10cm or 4 inches.

Footballers have long been selected for height, although there have been many short-arses.

The other related issue here, definitely one for our podcast, the distribution of months that Footballer's are born, with more born between September and December. https://www.nationalfootballmuseum....lers-more-likely-to-be-born-before-christmas/
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
Redemption said:
Over the 20th the average height in the UK increased by 10cm or 4 inches.

Footballers have long been selected for height, although there have been many short-arses.

The other related issue here, definitely one for our podcast, the distribution of months that Footballer's are born, with more born between September and December. https://www.nationalfootballmuseum....lers-more-likely-to-be-born-before-christmas/
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That one is simply because they're the older ones in the age group and being nearly a year older than the rest of the people you're playing with/against can be a big advantage (provided that it correlates with being physically stronger/bigger or similar advantages).

It's supposed to even out but that assumes younger kids haven't fallen behind, and there's plenty of exceptions of good players born in the spring/summer.

If they cut off in January instead of September for things more then we'd see the same effect with Jan/Feb/March births being dominant for the same reason.

Be interesting to look at though
 
Malwood

Malwood

Geoff Thomas
Statto said:
That one is simply because they're the older ones in the age group and being nearly a year older than the rest of the people you're playing with/against can be a big advantage (provided that it correlates with being physically stronger/bigger or similar advantages).

It's supposed to even out but that assumes younger kids haven't fallen behind, and there's plenty of exceptions of good players born in the spring/summer.

If they cut off in January instead of September for things more then we'd see the same effect with Jan/Feb/March births being dominant for the same reason.

Be interesting to look at though
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There are loads of studies into this. I think the most comprehensive was done on Canadian ice hockey players.
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
Malwood said:
There are loads of studies into this. I think the most comprehensive was done on Canadian ice hockey players.
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Yes, it's been mentioned a few times (I think even once when we had Tim Henman and Greg Rusedski as our tennis players who are both born a year apart in September) but in reality the correlation probably doesn't exist in older children or adults.

If it does exist, it's probably because decisions were already made when they were younger that they were not good/fast/strong enough but that this ignored the fact they were playing with kids almost a year older (and in likelihood more physically developed as a result).

I think it was mentioned a while back and I can't remember which player it was, but Southampton had one of their youth players who they sold for a lot of money, but who at youth level they knew was talented but smaller for his age and wouldn't compete with his age group so they matched on size not age and played him down a year or two so he could develop as a player knowing he would catch up physically. In that case he then did and they made a lot of money from keeping the faith in him. If they'd just dismissed him as too small he could have just ended up not making it.

I think it was also suggested Harry Kane struggled in his early career because he was born in July and so one of the younger players in his age group but he obviously caught up as an adult.
 
DizzyBala

DizzyBala

Jack Armstrong
Definitely feel like there is a mentality issue in the team. The way we are incapable of handling equal or lesser opposition, plus how we handle going ahead in games, needs to be addressed.
 
Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
The constraints of a 25 man squad (excluding 21yrs old and under) are clear now:
Forest have 6 players at AFCON.
Awoniyi, Felipe, Origi, and Elanga areout injured.
Tavares is absolute crap.
There are 3 goalkeepers (trade descriptions act breached there).
So by my rough calculation were are for the next few weeks having to select 11 starting players plus 9 on the bench from an available squad of 12.
 
congo_red_49

congo_red_49

Ale Ape
Captain Sinister said:
The constraints of a 25 man squad (excluding 21yrs old and under) are clear now:
Forest have 6 players at AFCON.
Awoniyi, Felipe, Origi, and Elanga areout injured.
Tavares is absolute crap.
There are 3 goalkeepers (trade descriptions act breached there).
So by my rough calculation were are for the next few weeks having to select 11 starting players plus 9 on the bench from an available squad of 12.
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I'm not totally sure the mathematics of deducting the Goalkeepers from the number of players available for the starting 11+subs works. But you are right, the AFCON definitely restricts our options. To use Nuno's seemingly recent favourite phrase, "we will have to find solutions'.
 
Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
little_donkey_congo_red said:
I'm not totally sure the mathematics of deducting the Goalkeepers from the number of players available for the starting 11+subs works. But you are right, the AFCON definitely restricts our options. To use Nuno's seemingly recent favourite phrase, "we will have to find solutions'.
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But haven't you seen our goalkeepers?
 
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Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
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Mighten and Hwang have both returned to Forest after their respective loans were ended.
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Can't play for us if we want to sell or loan out again though
 
Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
little_donkey_congo_red said:
I mean, I’m no great football tactician, but I’m thinking there’s probably a reason why no professional team has ever employed a rush goalie system.
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Oh I don’t know, Carlisle United did it famously with Jimmy Glass, and that worked out all right for them in the end! 😂
 
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