Christopher William Gerard Hughton is no longer the manager.

[marshal99]

at the end of the day , hughton is too old school stubborn hard headedness to adapt and change his ways and methods , what worked before at brighton doesn't mean it'll work with different set of players.

 

[Ashley]

at the end of the day , hughton is too old school stubborn hard headedness to adapt and change his ways and methods , what worked before at brighton doesn't mean it'll work with different set of players.

This. He was a good manager at this level once upon a time, but that time has been and gone. His methods no longer work at this level anymore.

 

[EmmersonForest4]

Whats playing out is a damining indictment on the Hughton tenure. Thats indisputable. He bought a system here the players just didnt buy into, that doesnt make him a shit manager, he's proven that with success elsewhere.

Buck stops with him, but it is laughable from some that a supposed deep dislike for Hughton is a blatant points scoring wind up.

We talk far too much about ex managers on here.

I also think that its not got anything to do with philosphy. Listening to the players Hughton wanted to score goals and keep the ball. However it was telling what Lolley said that Hughton tried to manage them with fear.

The problem with Hughton was the players were shit scared of making mistakes and that naturally makes you more conservative. We can see with Cooper that there are still plenty of mistakes but the players are trying things as well.

Dont get me wrong the mistakes will hurt us in the end and we will need to eliminate some of those if we want promotion but as a foundation its been absolutely superb.

 

[Haych]

I think Cooper has effectively announced Hughtons retirement.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

As Cloughie once said - you can't do anything to the best of your abilities unless you're relaxed

If it's true that Hughton ruled by fear then he was doomed to fail from the start

 

[EmmersonForest4]

As Cloughie once said - you can't do anything to the best of your abilities unless you're relaxed

If it's true that Hughton ruled by fear then he was doomed to fail from the start

Exactly and I notice it when I manage people. The last thing you need is that fear you are going to get a bollocking.

Lolley said and I am paraphrasing that when they used to loose the ball Hughton would have a big enquiry about.

 

[Rockabilly]

 

[marshal99]

guess hughton football might actualy suit cardiff , ther fans have been used to direct long ball with warnock , harris , mccathy etc and hughton will finally have big guys upfront to play with in kieffer moore and james collin so his formation might suit cardiff.

 

[RedDogChris]

guess hughton football might actualy suit cardiff , ther fans have been used to direct long ball with warnock , harris , mccathy etc and hughton will finally have big guys upfront to play with in kieffer moore and james collin so his formation might suit cardiff.

First I've heard of him going Cardiff?

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[stockers]

Hughton's success was achieved at the two most stable, probably best run clubs in the country.. Not sure he'll be getting quite the same set up at Cardiff..

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

As much as I dislike the bloke the Cardiff squad probably suits him quite well with a bunch of tall cloggers, so who knows, maybe he'll manage to get more than one point from seven games with them? :shrug:

 

[Rzar]

Off to Ghana?

https://www.primenewsghana.com/spor...s-hughton-in-ghana-for-black-stars-coach.html

 

[Bob Fossil]

The thing with Chris is......I honestly don't understand how he was so successful previously. You can point to the quality squads he had at his disposal at times but that wasn't the case at Brighton.

He seemed to have precisely none of the attributes that make a top manager. Zero.

 

[cheapseats]

The thing with Chris is......I honestly don't understand how he was so successful previously. You can point to the quality squads he had at his disposal at times but that wasn't the case at Brighton.

He seemed to have precisely none of the attributes that make a top manager. Zero.

Is it not possible that like bands, some managers just get more shit with age?

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

The thing with Chris is......I honestly don't understand how he was so successful previously. You can point to the quality squads he had at his disposal at times but that wasn't the case at Brighton.

He seemed to have precisely none of the attributes that make a top manager. Zero.

Brighton had the best striker in the league who whacked in 30 odd goals and who went on to be almost equally as good in the top flight.

Makes a difference. Murray was the Mitrovic of his day.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

Also football adapts. Hughtons success came in an era when slow possession football was the rage. Allowed his sides to regroup more easily but also meant the difference of having a great winger and greater striker was amplified.

By time he ended up here slow possession football had been replaced with high tempo and/or physicality for the most part, but he stuck by his tried and trusted methods, with the end result being Forest were forever pegged back in their own half because they refused to adapt to opposition tactics.

Hughton had a good career, he can look back on it with a sense of pride. But Forest was a shitshow for him and it was such a mess he effectively retired himself.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

I've always thought with Hughton that after he got Brighton promoted the Championship moved on, football-wise, but his tactics didn't

 

[Rockabilly]

ALL football managers have a sell by date, even the great man himself, Mr Clough.

 

[RedDogChris]

ALL football managers have a sell by date, even the great man himself, Mr Clough.

The drink caused Cloughie's sell by date tbf, Fergie was an exception he always evolved and adapted right until the end

 

[Cloughie1975]

The drink caused Cloughie's sell by date tbf, Fergie was an exception he always evolved and adapted right until the end

Drink clearly had a significant part to play in Clough’s demise-but the game was changing with the advent of the
Premier League and greater player/agent power combined with additional fitness requirements.
Ferguson had the good sense to leave on a high-although he left an ageing Manchester United side that needed
rebuilding.

 

[cheapseats]

Drink clearly had a significant part to play in Clough’s demise-but the game was changing with the advent of the
Premier League and greater player/agent power combined with additional fitness requirements.
Ferguson had the good sense to leave on a high-although he left an ageing Manchester United side that needed
rebuilding.

Yes-I'm still not sure how good a manager Ferguson really was. Of course his record suggests he was wonderful, but how much of that was him hitting it lucky with their academy (which was always ahead of the curve, particularly in terms of resources) and probably the single greatest sustained crop of youth players any club has ever produced in English football?. I would doubt he would have had much, if anything to do with the academy other than to encourage them to produce players of the best quality...
He also had the advantage that he was before the era of the super club/owner in England so he was fishing in the pond for the best players pretty much unchallenged. If Man U really wanted a player by and large they got them, there were of course the odd exceptions and things did start to change a little towards the end as big money came into other clubs like Blackburn..

I guess what I'm saying is I am not sure how good he would have been at a lesser club without those advantages. But for sure he was never intimidated by the size of the club or the owners, which he had in common with Clough...

 

[Cloughie1975]

Yes-I'm still not sure how good a manager Ferguson really was. Of course his record suggests he was wonderful, but how much of that was him hitting it lucky with their academy (which was always ahead of the curve, particularly in terms of resources) and probably the single greatest sustained crop of youth players any club has ever produced in English football?. I would doubt he would have had much, if anything to do with the academy other than to encourage them to produce players of the best quality...
He also had the advantage that he was before the era of the super club/owner in England so he was fishing in the pond for the best players pretty much unchallenged. If Man U really wanted a player by and large they got them, there were of course the odd exceptions and things did start to change a little towards the end as big money came into other clubs like Blackburn..

I guess what I'm saying is I am not sure how good he would have been at a lesser club without those advantages. But for sure he was never intimidated by the size of the club or the owners, which he had in common with Clough...

I think Ferguson was a top manager-but what Clough achieved at provincial clubs like Forest and Derby make him
unique,and in my view,the best of all time.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

ALL football managers have a sell by date, even the great man himself, Mr Clough.

Agreed, but in respect of Clough it's more of a "best before" date

 

[Bob Fossil]

I think Ferguson was a top manager-but what Clough achieved at provincial clubs like Forest and Derby make him
unique,and in my view,the best of all time.

Absolutely.

To do it once was absolutely remarkable. To do it with 2 provincial clubs? Genius that will never be paralleled.

Always makes me laugh when they're compiling the 'best managers ever' lists and they list the honours. Bit of a difference doing it with Liverpool & United compared to Forest & Derby!

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

Ferguson is absolutely up there with Clough and depending on your criteria for judging success then arguably he was better.

I think people forget Man Utd weren't a top club when he came in. He made them into the name they are now and sustained winning trophies over a what, 20 year period?

Oversaw many challengers in that time frame: Liverpool, Arsenal, Newcastle, Chelsea, Man City... All different teams in their traditional set up etc and apart from one Arsenal season Man U came out top.

Love what Clough did here but can understand why people think Ferguson best manager.