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Christopher William Gerard Hughton is no longer the manager.

Houghton: Sack or Retain?

  • Sack

    Votes: 26 38.8%

  • Retain

    Votes: 41 61.2%
  • Total voters
    67
  • Poll closed .
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Cloughie1975

John Robertson
MaxiRobriguez said:
Ferguson is absolutely up there with Clough and depending on your criteria for judging success then arguably he was better.

I think people forget Man Utd weren't a top club when he came in. He made them into the name they are now and sustained winning trophies over a what, 20 year period?

Oversaw many challengers in that time frame: Liverpool, Arsenal, Newcastle, Chelsea, Man City... All different teams in their traditional set up etc and apart from one Arsenal season Man U came out top.

Love what Clough did here but can understand why people think Ferguson best manager.
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Yes,but Ferguson never took 2 previously unsuccessful clubs out of the 2nd Division to the very top of the game.
As for Manchester United not being a top club when he arrived-they had already won numerous trophies(including
the European Cup)and the job was considered by many to be the biggest in the game.
Obviously,Manchester United had fallen victim of Liverpool’s remarkable dominance,but to say they weren’t
a top club before Ferguson arrived is frankly ridiculous.
 
Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
Ferguson did it at unfancied Aberdeen first, breaking the Celtic-Rangers duopoly in Scotland.

He then took over Man United in 1986, a side that hadn’t won the league for over twenty five years and were, bar a couple of cup runs, massively underachieving (remember they’d gotten themselves relegated in the early 1970s too) and had the reputation of an absolute mess of a club, one riven with a huge drinking culture.

It took him time to sort that (four years, before he won the FA Cup) but he then set bout turning them into the absolute behemoth they are now, on and off the pitch.

He’s clearly not the most likeable figure, but it can’t be argued he wasn’t massively successful - look at the state of the club now, with the various Managers who’ve tried to follow him.

Anyway, I’m biased but I always thought Mr. Clough was better, because he did it with not one, but two unfancied sides, effectively building both from scratch (more than once, in Forest‘s case).
 
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Cloughie1975

John Robertson
Strummer said:
Ferguson did it at unfancied Aberdeen first, breaking the Celtic-Rangers duopoly in Scotland.

He then took over Man United in 1986, a side that hadn’t won the league for over twenty five years and were, bar a couple of cup runs, massively underachieving (remember they’d gotten themselves relegated in the early 1970s too) and had the reputation of an absolute mess of a club, one riven with a huge drinking culture.

It took him time to sort that (four years, before he won the FA Cup) but he then set bout turning them into the absolute behemoth they are now, on and off the pitch.

He’s clearly not the most likeable figure, but it can’t be argued he wasn’t massively successful - look at the state of the club now, with the various Managers who’ve tried to follow him.

Anyway, I’m biased but I always thought Mr. Clough was better, because he did it with not one, but two unfancied sides, effectively building both from scratch (more than once, in Forest‘s case).
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Clearly,Ferguson was a great manager.
To say Manchester United were unsuccessful(by most clubs standards)before Ferguson is not correct-following
relegation in 1974,they won the FA Cup 3 times(and were twice runners up),were runners up in the league in
1980 and regularly qualified for Europe before he arrived.
I guess it’s all relative!
 
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Timothy Pope

I know that Nuno that I know that Nuno that I know
I always get the impression that Ferguson left United in a poor state out of vanity and has since enjoyed them not reaching the heights that he took them to


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Erik

Erik

oopsy daisy!
LTLF Minion
I think Ferguson would have been a successful, great manager, wherever he'd been. It just happened to be Manchester United.

We'll never know if he could have done what Clough did in terms of taking unfashionable, provincial clubs to the top, although he laid down a marker at Aberdeen.

I don't think he could have matched Clough's achievements' in that respect, although I suspect he would have run him close.
 
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
Sorry lads but Fergurson will always be the top dog simply because of his longevity.

It is rare for top managers to stick around at the very top, his ability to create new teams and adapt to new tactical styles is what separates him from others.

The Aberdeen Cup Winners Cup is probably equivalent to us winning the European Cup.
 
HBB

HBB

Jack Burkitt
There's no doubt Ferguson was an all-time great manager. Being a manager is all about Alchemy and balancing man management, tactics, injuries, acquisitions and having the control over all those elements over time, not to mention a massive amount of luck. Any manager can have it all fall in to place almost accident once, but the greats know how to build a side and can do it again in other circumstances and at other clubs.

The problem now is being given the time and resources to do and then repeat it and I don't think he'd have been given the chance to do it these days. Looking back Utd were in danger of relegation when he took over from Atkinson and they finished 11th, they finished second in 1987–88 but the following year were 11th again, if you look at how it went for Moyes I think he'd have gone before the end of that season - in Fergie's case he managed to beat Palace in the 1990 FA Cup Final and kept his job.

Personally I think not sticking with Moyes was a massive mistake for Man Utd - looking at what he did at Everton and is doing now at West Ham he has all the right attributes if he's given the right backing.

Oh and whisper it low but I think yer man Copper is showing many of the right attributes as well... COYR!!!
 
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Mr. Blonde

Mr. Blonde

Jack Burkitt
Featured in the Mediaballs section the latest edition of Private Eye:

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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
No way Hughton said that, that's far too forward.
 
Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
Ghana‘s new Technical Consultant has helped steer them to the World Cup in Qatar, grinding out two draws in the playoff.
 
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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Strummer said:
Ghana‘s new Technical Consultant has helped steer them to the World Cup in Qatar, grinding out two draws in the playoff.
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You missed the bit about the other two teams not actually showing up due to Covid.
 
Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
MaxiRobriguez said:
You missed the bit about the other two teams not actually showing up due to Covid.
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Why let the truth get in the way of a good opportunity for a piss-take!
 
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
Steve Cooper could lose every single one of our 36 games next season and he would still have a higher win percentage, and points per game than Hughton had here.
 
Haych

Haych

John Robertson
I actually want him to get another job, it’ll be more fun watching the shit show from distance
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
Isn't he still working for Ghana? I read something the other day which suggested he was.

I really can't see another CH club taking him on. You're only as good as your last job, and last season's squad wasn't much different from this one's, he had both treading water, Cooper comes in and you all know the rest.
 
Ashley

Ashley

Steve Chettle
Mr. Blonde said:
One of the sundry things Steve Cooper has done this season is putting Hughton out of another managerial job
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Yep. The contrast between what Cooper managed to get out of this squad compared to Hughton is absolutely damning. It isn't something that will have gone unnoticed, even amongst the dumber club owners out there that are easily swayed by "big" name managers.

Hughton's managerial career is done. At least as far as jobs at Championship level or higher are concerned.
 
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