Ched Evans

[sedgred]

Ummm not everyone found guilty is convicted due to hard evidence and solid proof.

Until people have dealings with the long arm of the law, our wonderful police force and a judicial system which relies on an adversarial system in which the competence of Barristers to present the point of view they are paid to represent, are far more important swaying a juries mind, as opposed to an investigative procedure from the outset, they will continue to believe the courts and press.

There continues to be heartbreaking cases of miscarriage of justice.

 

[Shipstones Pye Eater]

Ok, who out of those that are defending the right for a convicted ****** to carry on as a pro footballer who would be happy for him to play for Nottingham Forest? Be honest now.

Another point, how many nutter or pissed up football supporters have received lifetime bans from their teams football grounds as a result of 'stepping on a pitch' one silly day. Rightly or wrongly these supporters have missed out for life on a quite silly mundane mistake they made once. A footballer is convicted for rape, clearly a far greater crime than stepping on a football pitch you aren't supposed to. Yes he does pay partly by doing some of the time in prison but he somehow gets out and gets to carry on playing and representing his team + fans for his club?!! Regardless of this case in particular I would be, very, very unhappy if Nottingham Forest let a convicted ****** play for our team.

 

[Itsy-bitsy Bonatini Yellow Polkadot Bikini]

It's just a classic tale of boy meets girl in bar, boy goes to bed with girl, boy's friend lets himself into the hotel room and joins in while two more of the boy's friends stand outside the hotel watching through a window.

Seems safe to assume that's exactly what the girl consented to when she met the boy.

 

[Alexandro Garibaldi]

I'll be honest, it's a scary world where a woman can have sex with a man and later say, 'I was too drunk to consent' and the bloke ending up in Prison for 5-years.

She even admitted to going back to the hotel consensually - It's a crock of shit if you ask me.

Given that there have been recent reports on the number of rape cases police haven't even investigated, I think it's a bit early to be worrying that the balance has swung too far in favour of women.

If a woman is blind drunk and you don't want to be accused of raping her, don't have sex with her. Is that an unmanly thing to say? Chivalry may be dead, but we're still responsible for our own actions and taking advantage of a girl who is not in a position to say "no" is the man's action, an action that could be construed as rape. Would you rob a pissed man's wallet, just because you could? No - if possible you'd do the decent thing, fetch them a cup of coffee and make sure they got home safely. The attitude that a girl off her tits is fair game is a far greater problem than women inventing spurious rape claims.

 

[bgd]

Ok, who out of those that are defending the right for a convicted ****** to carry on as a pro footballer who would be happy for him to play for Nottingham Forest? Be honest now.

Another point, how many nutter or pissed up football supporters have received lifetime bans from their teams football grounds as a result of 'stepping on a pitch' one silly day. Rightly or wrongly these supporters have missed out for life on a quite silly mundane mistake they made once. A footballer is convicted for rape, clearly a far greater crime than stepping on a football pitch you aren't supposed to. Yes he does pay partly by doing some of the time in prison but he somehow gets out and gets to carry on playing and representing his team + fans for his club?!! Regardless of this case in particular I would be, very, very unhappy if Nottingham Forest let a convicted ****** play for our team.

So long as he conducted himself properly, I genuinely wouldn't have issue with him play for Forest.

Re: your second point. Yeh, it's definitely unfortunate if you get a lifetime ban for going onto a pitch once. To be honest, I wasn't aware of that being the case apart from incidents where someone has gone on, on their own. But furthermore, you're banned because it's feared that if you can get onto a football pitch, that you might wish to harm someone. Whereas a footballer banned for something nothing to do with football, isn't going to be a danger to committing the same offence by being on the football pitch...

 

[Itsy-bitsy Bonatini Yellow Polkadot Bikini]

She even admitted to going back to the hotel consensually - It's a crock of shit if you ask me.

Yeah, that's the Mike Tyson defence. And it is, of course, complete horseshit.

So what if she consented to going back to the hotel room? She could have consented to him sticking an umbrella up her arsehole while wearing a Teen Wolf costume, she still reserves the right at any time to say stop and if he fails to do so, it's assault.

In any case, she didn't actually go back to the hotel room with Ched Evans, consensually or otherwise. She went to the hotel with the guy who was acquitted of raping her, then later, Ched Evans let himself into the room and also had sex with her. On top of that, two of his mates watched through a window. Are you saying that by consenting to going back to the hotel, she tacitly consented to all that?

 

[Jimboreds]

Yeah, that's the Mike Tyson defence. And it is, of course, complete horseshit.

So what if she consented to going back to the hotel room? She could have consented to him sticking an umbrella up her arsehole while wearing a Teen Wolf costume, she still reserves the right at any time to say stop and if he fails to do so, it's assault.

In any case, she didn't actually go back to the hotel room with Ched Evans, consensually or otherwise. She went to the hotel with the guy who was acquitted of raping her, then later, Ched Evans let himself into the room and also had sex with her. On top of that, two of his mates watched through a window. Are you saying that by consenting to going back to the hotel, she tacitly consented to all that?

Not if they have a safe word.

 

[Bonalair]

Given that there have been recent reports on the number of rape cases police haven't even investigated, I think it's a bit early to be worrying that the balance has swung too far in favour of women.

If a woman is blind drunk and you don't want to be accused of raping her, don't have sex with her. Is that an unmanly thing to say? Chivalry may be dead, but we're still responsible for our own actions and taking advantage of a girl who is not in a position to say "no" is the man's action, an action that could be construed as rape. Would you rob a pissed man's wallet, just because you could? No - if possible you'd do the decent thing, fetch them a cup of coffee and make sure they got home safely. The attitude that a girl off her tits is fair game is a far greater problem than women inventing spurious rape claims.

Definitely agree with all this.

 

[Jimboreds]

Definitely agree with all this.

Depends though. If you are as drunk as one another then having sex is fine. But if the girl is far worse than you then Id agree with that statement.

 

[Jimboreds]

Depends though. If you are as drunk as one another then having sex is fine. But if the girl is far worse than you then Id agree with that statement.

thats with it being consented by the way.

 

[Gary]

The football world seems to have forgotten about Luke McCormick being rehired by Plymouth. Pissed off his face, ran a family off the road, resulting in the death of their kids.

 

[Itsy-bitsy Bonatini Yellow Polkadot Bikini]

I only found out recently that Matthew Broderick was convicted in Ireland of causing two deaths by reckless driving during the 80's and got off with a slap on the wrist and a £200 fine, or something similar.

 

[T.O.Tricky.]

I only found out recently that Matthew Broderick was convicted in Ireland of causing two deaths by reckless driving during the 80's and got off with a slap on the wrist and a £200 fine, or something similar.

Not Ferris Bueller, surely??

 

[Strummer]

Yes Ferris Bueller.

Read his Wikipedia entry, it's all in there.

 

[incapable hulk]

Mark Whalberg blinded a guy, after beating him up due to racial hatred.

Sadly, these things get forgotten about over time.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

Perhaps, given that clubs agree to FA rules, then the FA should state that anyone convicted of breaking the law can resume gainful employment at a football club post detention, but they must agree to sacrifice 20% of their salary to the FA which will in turn be donated to supported charities.

If the player says no, then fine, they can work on a checkout somewhere.

 

[Tutts]

Laura Bush killed a guy.

 

[EmmersonForest4]

Perhaps, given that clubs agree to FA rules, then the FA should state that anyone convicted of breaking the law can resume gainful employment at a football club post detention, but they must agree to sacrifice 20% of their salary to the FA which will in turn be donated to supported charities.

If the player says no, then fine, they can work on a checkout somewhere.

:yes: A cracking idea but I would have a time limit of ten years on it covering them when they go into coaching as well.

 

[Green Jumper]

Perhaps, given that clubs agree to FA rules, then the FA should state that anyone convicted of breaking the law can resume gainful employment at a football club post detention, but they must agree to sacrifice 20% of their salary to the FA which will in turn be donated to supported charities.

If the player says no, then fine, they can work on a checkout somewhere.

That's quality! The FA could require a clause like that to be written into every new contract as a condition of registration. I can't see how anyone could fail to back the idea either.

 

[SLM92NF]

Given that there have been recent reports on the number of rape cases police haven't even investigated, I think it's a bit early to be worrying that the balance has swung too far in favour of women.

If a woman is blind drunk and you don't want to be accused of raping her, don't have sex with her. Is that an unmanly thing to say? Chivalry may be dead, but we're still responsible for our own actions and taking advantage of a girl who is not in a position to say "no" is the man's action, an action that could be construed as rape. Would you rob a pissed man's wallet, just because you could? No - if possible you'd do the decent thing, fetch them a cup of coffee and make sure they got home safely. The attitude that a girl off her tits is fair game is a far greater problem than women inventing spurious rape claims.

With this particular case though, this was a girl who had sex with 2 men in a hotel room. Woke up on her own naked in the hotel room the morning after not knowing what had happened or where she was.

Both men were arrested and charged, both men stood in the dock. 1 was found guilty, the other was found not guilty... if this is her being too drunk to consent how come the other bloke is not guilty? I don't understand that at all.

She was blind drunk when she entered the room and started having sex with the one who got off, she can't have been any more drunk to then consent to having sex with Evans? I find that ridiculous. Either they both are or they both aren't surely? I can't understand how that would make any sense to anyone. I know I wasn't sat in that court and I didn't see all the evidence but you'd think it would take a very significant bit of evidence to come to that conclusion? Why was that not reported if there was?

I kinda get what you're saying regarding if she's too drunk to consent. I think in practice though it is very difficult to determine. I mean it was acknowledged in that court room that she did say yes to having sex with Ched Evans and that it was more about the fact that she was too drunk to consent to that. So she is not responsible for giving that consent essentially. Does that mean if she'd killed somebody for example, she wouldn't get done because she was too drunk to be responsible for it?

The whole thing just seems like a huge miscarriage of justice to me. I acknowledge I wasn't in that court room and I didn't see all the evidence. But given what's been put in front of us what we know was said in that court, it just makes no sense at all. And as I said earlier if there is a significant bit of evidence that means it does make sense, why the hell did nobody report it?

 

[Strummer]

With this particular case though, this was a girl who had sex with 2 men in a hotel room. Woke up on her own naked in the hotel room the morning after not knowing what had happened or where she was.

Both men were arrested and charged, both men stood in the dock. 1 was found guilty, the other was found not guilty... if this is her being too drunk to consent how come the other bloke is not guilty? I don't understand that at all.

She was blind drunk when she entered the room and started having sex with the one who got off, she can't have been any more drunk to then consent to having sex with Evans? I find that ridiculous. Either they both are or they both aren't surely? I can't understand how that would make any sense to anyone. I know I wasn't sat in that court and I didn't see all the evidence but you'd think it would take a very significant bit of evidence to come to that conclusion? Why was that not reported if there was?

I kinda get what you're saying regarding if she's too drunk to consent. I think in practice though it is very difficult to determine. I mean it was acknowledged in that court room that she did say yes to having sex with Ched Evans and that it was more about the fact that she was too drunk to consent to that. So she is not responsible for giving that consent essentially. Does that mean if she'd killed somebody for example, she wouldn't get done because she was too drunk to be responsible for it?

The whole thing just seems like a huge miscarriage of justice to me. I acknowledge I wasn't in that court room and I didn't see all the evidence. But given what's been put in front of us what we know was said in that court, it just makes no sense at all. And as I said earlier if there is a significant bit of evidence that means it does make sense, why the hell did nobody report it?

From what I recall of the court case, the victim essentially consented to sex with the first guy, because she voluntarily went back to his room - hence his acquittal.

What did for Evans was that the prosecution made he case that he was stood outside watching, then decided to go and join in and had sex with the victim - however, this was without the victim's consent, thus his conviction.

It's very shaky ground though wherever the issue of consent is involved, and the inevitable complications of alcohol.

 

[Barbus]

Without going into the details of any particular case, where does this idea come from that on completion of a jail sentence, an ex-convict shouldn't be able to play professional football again.

Why on earth not?

There's a very good reason why people convicted of certain offences can't do certain jobs, like someone who has downloaded kiddie porn working in a school for example, but as nobody is ever going to commit rape or death by dangerous driving on a football field, I just cannot see where the issue is.

 

[Flaggers]

Without going into the details of any particular case, where does this idea come from that on completion of a jail sentence, an ex-convict shouldn't be able to play professional football again. Why on earth not? There's a very good reason why people convicted of certain offences can't do certain jobs, like someone who has downloaded kiddie porn working in a school for example, but as nobody is ever going to commit rape or death by dangerous driving on a football field, I just cannot see where the issue is.

I think it's more to do with footballers being (supposedly) role models for the young.

Sending out the message "hey, kids, it's ok to rape a girl and still be in an iconic profession when you've done a bit of bird" is unpalatable to many.

 

[forestzoe]

Set to sign a new contract

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/convicted-******-footballer-ched-evans-3604122

Convicted ****** footballer Ched Evans to sign new £3million contract with Sheffield United

The Welsh striker will be allowed out of prison on day release from July and if his fitness levels are up to scratch he will sign a new deal before Christmas

Convicted ****** footballer Ched Evans will return to Sheffield United this summer on day-release from prison.

And if the striker’s fitness levels are up to scratch, he will sign a £3million three-year contract before Christmas.

Evans, 25, is due to be fully released in October after serving half of his five years for raping a 19-year-old woman.

But the Welsh international will be allowed out on day-release from July and will return to Bramhall Lane for pre-season training while tagged.

Negotiations to bring back Evans started after Saudi Arabian Prince Abdullah bin Mossad bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, one of the world’s richest men and co-owner of Sheffield United, gave a nod of approval for his return.

Since then manager Nigel Clough and co-chairman Kevin McCabe have frequently visited him behind bars.

A source said: “The prince has sets his sights on promotion next season. He wants an elite team.


“As Ched is Sheffield United’s top goal scorer the prince gave royal approval for his return. It’s now up to the club to sort things out.

“Ched will first sign an interim three-month contract in July while on day-release. He has been training hard while in prison.

"He is confident his fitness levels will be up to the mark and he will rejoin his team mates fully by the end of the year.

“As long as he passes the tests, he will sign a new £18,000-a-week deal.”

Supporters’ club chairman Pete Whitney, 78, confirmed: “Ched is coming back. He has his prime years ahead of him.

“I am sure he will get a good reception but of course there might be a small minority who will object.”

Evans was found guilty of raping a woman in a hotel room in Rhyl, North Wales, in April 2012.

He admitted having sex but has *always claimed it was consensual and plans to appeal against his conviction.

His friend, former Port Vale and Walsall defender Clayton McDonald, also admitted having sex with the same woman but was cleared of rape.

Evans was transferred to Sheffield United in 2009 from Manchester City for £3million. He scored 35 goals for the League One club in 2011/12.

Evans’s girlfriend Natasha Massey, who has always *championed his innocence, revealed to the Sunday People two weeks ago how she is standing by him and plans to get engaged.

Beauty therapist Natasha, 25, who visits Evans twice a week, said: “Ched loves the club and supporters. He wants his old job back.”


No matter my views, one bit sticks out: Supporters’ club chairman Pete Whitney, 78, confirmed: “Ched is *coming back. He has his prime years ahead of him.

“I am sure he will get a good reception but of course there might be a small minority who will object.”

No shit Sherlock?

 

[PSYCHO:PSYCHO:PSYCHO]

mmm don't suppose ... :hey: