Ched Evans

Carlos

Massive Member
I've just read through all of this thread and very rarely do I get wound up about these things but some comments on here are vile and disgusting. Certainly would have a different view if it was a family member. I appreciate the odd joke about dark things don't get me wrong, but some people need to take a good look at themselves or talk to someone who has actually been through this.
 

Timothy Pope

I know that Nuno that I know that Nuno that I know
If you ask me I think anyone who is convicted of rape should be banned from being a pro footballer for life unless of course they are later proved innocent.

So if someone is later found to be innocent, who do they sue for false imprisonment and loss of earnings?

The drunken bint?
 

Trickyspy

Youth Team
Bloody disgraceful, the PFA shouldn't allow this.
Aside from the fact he hasn't even nearly served his 5 year sentence there is potential that kids will hero worship him if he plays regularly.
My respect for Nigel will be completely gone if he stands by this.
 

Barry

Where's me hammer?
I'll be honest, it's a scary world where a woman can have sex with a man and later say, 'I was too drunk to consent' and the bloke ending up in Prison for 5-years.

She even admitted to going back to the hotel consensually - It's a crock of shit if you ask me.

I worked as a twentys holiday rep in Greece and you should have seen and heard some of the stuff that went off out there.... No end of times you'd find girls semi naked girls in various parts of the hotel and they didn't have a clue how they got there or who they d slept with
 

EmJay

Stuart Pearce
some people need to take a good look at themselves or talk to someone who has actually been through this.

and likewise, some people should perhaps talk to someone who's been falsely accused of crimes similar to this.

It doesn't matter if they are later proven innocent, shit sticks, and there will always be people out there who claim "no smoke without fire".

I have no opinion on this case because I don't know nearly enough about it too judge, but i strongly believe that people shouldn't judge eithier way without hard evidence.
 

Carlos

Massive Member
and likewise, some people should perhaps talk to someone who's been falsely accused of crimes similar to this.

It doesn't matter if they are later proven innocent, shit sticks, and there will always be people out there who claim "no smoke without fire".

I have no opinion on this case because I don't know nearly enough about it too judge, but i strongly believe that people shouldn't judge eithier way without hard evidence.

I have someone very close to me who has been through what she has and I myself have been under arrest for a false accusation (luckily she dropped it) so I do know both sides completely hence an unusually serious post from me
 

Jimboreds

Grenville Morris
I got accused of it when I was younger and fortunately she dropped the accusation after I proved her wrong. But I was terrified at the same time as the rumour had already spread. Took a long time before people saw her for what she was.

My point is unless there is solid proof that he is guilty, we shouldnt judge him.
 

Carlos

Massive Member
I got accused of it when I was younger and fortunately she dropped the accusation after I proved her wrong. But I was terrified at the same time as the rumour had already spread. Took a long time before people saw her for what she was.

My point is unless there is solid proof that he is guilty, we shouldnt judge him.

Completely agree the feeling you have once word gets out is indescribable you think about loosing your job, your family etc. Horrible. But some people have been equally as quick to judge her. So lets keep an open mind on both sides before the verdict
 

Bonalair

John Robertson
You do your time and that's it. You think kids are going to think it is ok to go to jail for 2 and a half years? The petition is pointless. Sheffield Utd don't want him someone else will take him, he's a talented lad.

The facts of the case have nothing to do with the above sentiments but there is a lot of strong feeling here (it happened about 4 miles from me) that he was harshly found guilty. I'm not saying either way but the case was never clear cut.
 

Flaggers

May not be the best moderator on LTLF, but he's...
LTLF Minion
You do your time and that's it. You think kids are going to think it is ok to go to jail for 2 and a half years? The petition is pointless. Sheffield Utd don't want him someone else will take him, he's a talented lad. The facts of the case have nothing to do with the above sentiments but there is a lot of strong feeling here (it happened about 4 miles from me) that he was harshly found guilty. I'm not saying either way but the case was never clear cut.
Would you be happy to have him at Forest?
 

Pippi

First Team Squad
The main issue for me is that he has served such a short sentence. I can understand the uproar about him coming back, but he's served his punishment and it's not for football to punish him again. If the Blades want to take a chance on him, that's up to them. That said, if he'd been made to serve a lengthy sentence, then he'd be too old to return to football. Rape should be 10 years minimum. The girl did herself no favours in this, but Evans is a scheming, predatory ****** who thought there was nothing wrong with his actions. Hopefully he's learned his lesson.
 

Alpha Fail

Jack Burkitt
Don't know the specifics of the case but once an individual has done his time, he's done his time. I don't like Evans, I don't like Sheffield United. But if I've any issue with anything in this it's that there's a lot of reform needed for the victims, for the accused,for sentencing, for rehabilitation and for the public when someone has been through they system.

We can all agree there's a lot of fine tuning to be done. This case and the debate around it simply demonstrates that the more emotive the offence, the less likely we as a society are to deliver a measured, and therefore fair, response to it. We're getting better but there's a ways to go yet. If it's right for a man to be free, it's wrong to piss his natural talents away and that goes for anyone. Let the plumber plumb, the teacher teach and the sphere kicker kick the sphere. Anyone who decides unilaterally that footballers are role models for their children should have their children taken into care. The odd player, maybe but f***ing hell, guys. They're mainly dense, frequently unpleasant and often terrible at their jobs.

As a football fan though, bollocks to Ched Evans, he's a twat. Whatever he's done, or not.
 

gamble

Stuart Pearce
Don't know the specifics of the case but once an individual has done his time, he's done his time. I don't like Evans, I don't like Sheffield United. But if I've any issue with anything in this it's that there's a lot of reform needed for the victims, for the accused,for sentencing, for rehabilitation and for the public when someone has been through they system.

We can all agree there's a lot of fine tuning to be done. This case and the debate around it simply demonstrates that the more emotive the offence, the less likely we as a society are to deliver a measured, and therefore fair, response to it. We're getting better but there's a ways to go yet. If it's right for a man to be free, it's wrong to piss his natural talents away and that goes for anyone. Let the plumber plumb, the teacher teach and the sphere kicker kick the sphere. Anyone who decides unilaterally that footballers are role models for their children should have their children taken into care. The odd player, maybe but f***ing hell, guys. They're mainly dense, frequently unpleasant and often terrible at their jobs.

As a football fan though, bollocks to Ched Evans, he's a twat. Whatever he's done, or not.

Agree with all of this whole heartedly.
 
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Enzo Molinari

Guest
I wouldn't keep my job if I'd gone down for the same. Classic sheffield united.
 

forestzoe

Jack Burkitt
So many POV, all differing. I've followed this thread for a while, and seeing the opinions swing has been interesting. I have stopped replying many times. and will again, for a bit. I can see both sides, and have strong views on "alleged" views of not just this case but similar.....but nothing is EVER clear cut. Unless both parties invo;ved are there, nothing is clear cut.Unless there's a 3rd party, confirmed, everything else is heresay....surely? Even at times, 3rd party testimony is classed as heresay? When does celebrity overule evidence? When does valid evidence be discounted? FWIW, disgusted if he's allowed back into football. I don't care if he plays for ManU or Skegness, he has a right to ply his trade but being convicted of either a violent or sex oAnyffnce takes that right away, as contact with kids is par.

Anyone convicted of crimes against kids, sex crimes, crimes against elderly, etc should then be sentenced to go in London sewers, clearing the congealed fat out, for life. And made to sleep down there. And that's too good.James Herbert had the right idea.....
 

forestzoe

Jack Burkitt
For the record, I feel SOME circumstances were both heresay and 1 v 1. The fact remains that it happened, at least one conviction resulted, and NEITHER side will ever be right or wrong. Would you send your kids to an FA school and be happy if you later found out Ched Evans was hosting it?
 

Bonalair

John Robertson
No i wouldn't particularly want him here. He is going to get dogs abuse too isn't he?

Don't think the FA would be having him run a school either Zoe!
 

Jimboreds

Grenville Morris
So many POV, all differing. I've followed this thread for a while, and seeing the opinions swing has been interesting. I have stopped replying many times. and will again, for a bit. I can see both sides, and have strong views on "alleged" views of not just this case but similar.....but nothing is EVER clear cut. Unless both parties invo;ved are there, nothing is clear cut.Unless there's a 3rd party, confirmed, everything else is heresay....surely? Even at times, 3rd party testimony is classed as heresay? When does celebrity overule evidence? When does valid evidence be discounted? FWIW, disgusted if he's allowed back into football. I don't care if he plays for ManU or Skegness, he has a right to ply his trade but being convicted of either a violent or sex oAnyffnce takes that right away, as contact with kids is par.

Anyone convicted of crimes against kids, sex crimes, crimes against elderly, etc should then be sentenced to go in London sewers, clearing the congealed fat out, for life. And made to sleep down there. And that's too good.James Herbert had the right idea.....

In my case it was clear cut. Id gone out with a girl for 2 years, we broke up, I got with her best mate (was a one night stand) and because she felt guilty she told everyone that listened I had abused her. It was after a few weeks of suffering and having breakdowns, I threatened to get the police involved that she back tracked and told the truth.

Getting back to the case in hand though, the lad to this day still denies rape, the girl has admitted she was blindingly drunk, she is probably ashamed of such an act and other circumstances point to it not being 100% truth either way. But if it is true, the lads done his time and its time to forgive.

Everyone deserves a second.chance.
 

bgd

Grenville Morris
In my case it was clear cut. Id gone out with a girl for 2 years, we broke up, I got with her best mate (was a one night stand) and because she felt guilty she told everyone that listened I had abused her. It was after a few weeks of suffering and having breakdowns, I threatened to get the police involved that she back tracked and told the truth.

Getting back to the case in hand though, the lad to this day still denies rape, the girl has admitted she was blindingly drunk, she is probably ashamed of such an act and other circumstances point to it not being 100% truth either way. But if it is true, the lads done his time and its time to forgive.

Everyone deserves a second.chance.

It's hard to speculate as to what happened, and I doubt the 100% truth is ever likely to come out.

But it all sounds very similar to a story I was told by two lads in my uni football team. One of them pulled a girl, his mate asked if he could join them... the girl said no. They both went, the lad went home shortly after, when the first two were going at it, he went in the room naked, stared to get involved, and the girl then went along with it... Fortunately for him, she didn't do anything about it after, but I've heard similar with regards to footballers before, that one will pull a girl and go back somewhere and one or more of their mates will turn up.

More than anything it's a horrible thing to do with how they treat women in general, and it's definitely wrong if the girl says no. But because they're then blind drunk and just get on with it anyway, I think they believe they're not committing rape of sorts.

I'm not saying that's how it's gone down for Evans, it just sounds similar t stories I've heard before, and I imagine he has learnt a damn good lesson now. Sadly, there are plenty of girls who will throw themselves at these guys and do anything just to be around them, so I think it's got to a point where they think that they can pretty much do what they want with them. No, i'm not saying it makes it okay, i'm just saying they've had everything on a plate so much, that they expect to be able to do it.
 
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