The Mood

[MaxiRobriguez]

Shit clubs get relegated.

Check your privilege.

Clubs who get relegated either can't defend or can't score goals, or both.

Forest have had both of those problems this season, scoring goals under Cooper, keeping it out of the net under Nuno.

We are where we are on merit (and a healthy dose of shit refereeing decisions too).

The positive spin on this is that our defensive unit was much improved yesterday and we gave up few chances to a good side. If we can repeat that and still continue to look good going forward like we have under Nuno then we will be OK, but if we can't make that consistent then we are absolutely in a dogfight with Luton which we might not win.

 

[jdthebrit]

I was trying to say that we are playing some good football, and that generally gets its own rewards, eventually.
I didn't suggest that we are too good to go down - rather that the other three are too poor to stay up.
Luton are playing attractive and exciting football. We can't match that for some reason. But from what I've seen we are still a better team as a unit.
Therefore my mood is upbeat, not smug or complacent in the slightest.

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['mist rollin in']

The ref made a right hash of it yesterday. Big clubs will never understand their privilege; the little decisions always go their way and it has a huge impact on teams lower down the table. Ultimately though, if we clear that ball out, we're not even having this conversation.

My mood is mixed - were we expected to get anything out of Villa away and Liverpool at home? Apart from Everton being given points back, they're still on a downward trajectory, as are Luton and Brentford. It's difficult to remain positive, but I said in another post; our season starts now.

If you go by social media, Nuno is bizarrely under pressure; it demonstrates how difficult this job is and my respect for Steve Cooper as a manager has only increased. Cooper was clearly struggling and we'll never know if he would have turned it around, as he had done before. I love that Nuno was incredibly angry in his post-match interview; it shows that the passion is there and let's hope we can adopt a siege mentality now and for want of a better phrase... just F**KING GO FOR IT!!

As for the debate that the Championship is better... I'm sorry but NO, NO, NO. Hovering around 8th to 12th in the Championship just to avoid the Premier League would be awful. 24,000 in the City Ground; trips to Deepdale on a Tuesday night, and bang average football are not what I want to see. The Premier League does need reforming, but the answer to our current problem is not the Championship.

 

[trentside69]

We need to use all this anger and turn it into an us against the world mentality, then batter some teams.

I agree we need to stop expecting anything and I would rather fight back than keep moaning.
On this point Mr Clough would have drilled into every player and anyone connected with the team .
It's not a level playing field but we need to use our energy to fight back instead of being angry and whingeing

 

[Project Zeus]

Sadly defeats in the manner of yesterday usually happen to relegated clubs, it just feels an inevitably to me now. We haven't gone on a run of wins all season which we'll need with even a 3/4 point deduction imo and I don't see that changing with our defensive frailties

We've got a favourable run of fixtures before the end of the season. Keep the faith - we'll be alright.

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[Mr RayReardon]

We've got a favourable run of fixtures before the end of the season. Keep the faith - we'll be alright.

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I think you're right, Zeus.

We're in much better shape than last season. A win vs Palace and Luton would do us the world of good. We're not playing badly at all, even the Villa game... a bit more rub of the green and we come away with points there.

Liverpool can count themselves lucky... very few teams will say that this season.

Positive result against Brighton and the gloom is lifted

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[ubik]

Describes the current mood (actually a pretext to share a Richard Thompson track which deserves more airplay). Still feels appropriate.

 

[enlightened]

Mood update - f*** the EPL. I want no further part of it. It's not a competition - I'd rather play in the Championship where there is a more level playing field and the stench of corruption can only be briefly detected if the wind is in the wrong direction. I'm now massively in favour of a European Super League. Get rid of the top 6 so we never have to deal with their smugness or sense of entitlement ever again. Return the English leagues to the fans.

 

[youreds1986]

I think you're right, Zeus.

We're in much better shape than last season. A win vs Palace and Luton would do us the world of good. We're not playing badly at all, even the Villa game... a bit more rub of the green and we come away with points there.

Liverpool can count themselves lucky... very few teams will say that this season.

Positive result against Brighton and the gloom is lifted

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Agreed. We could well take 7 points from the next 3 games. And with Fulham the game after we should be aiming for 8-12 points from the next 4. Get even the bottom end of that and we will effectively be out of the relegation fight unless we get a huge points deduction.

We definitely haven't had the rub of the green the past few weeks and Wood being out has really hurt us.

I have no doubt if we can get Wood back on the pitch (or Taiwo at full tilt) then we will start picking up more than enough points to be safe barring a ridiculously large points deduction.

 

[Captain Sinister]

Mood update - f*** the EPL. I want no further part of it. It's not a competition - I'd rather play in the Championship where there is a more level playing field and the stench of corruption can only be briefly detected if the wind is in the wrong direction. I'm now massively in favour of a European Super League. Get rid of the top 6 so we never have to deal with their smugness or sense of entitlement ever again. Return the English leagues to the fans.

Let the competition be rebranded:
League Division One
League Division Two
League Division Three
League Division Four.
Only top 2 teams relegated and promoted.
No stupid “play offs”.
No gaming adverts.
No VAR.
No Paul Tierney

 

[Rockabilly]

Let the competition be rebranded:
League Division One
League Division Two
League Division Three
League Division Four.
Only top 2 teams relegated and promoted.
No stupid “play offs”.
No gaming adverts.
No VAR.
No Paul Tierney

Aye... and let the top six f*** off and start their own super league.

 

['mist rollin in']

The problem with the ‘better in the Championship’ argument is that a lifetime of finishing between 7th and 21st would be horrible.

Premier League atm though is not fit for purpose. You can’t compete with the top 6 otherwise you’ll be faced with sanctions - read somewhere that Aston Villa could be in trouble with FFP soon or will at least have to sell a few players to keep within the rules.

My theory is that the Premier League big bosses want a Super League and they’re trying to make the PL so s**t, that fans will start demanding it.

My mood on the pitch with Forest is relatively positive - we’re soon getting back to a fully fit squad and winnable fixtures coming up. Got to fully embrace the ‘us’ against ‘them’ mentality.

 

[Cloughie1975]

Let the competition be rebranded:
League Division One
League Division Two
League Division Three
League Division Four.
Only top 2 teams relegated and promoted.
No stupid “play offs”.
No gaming adverts.
No VAR.
No Paul Tierney

I agree with nearly all of that-but I would still have 3 up and 3 down (I think that has benefited the game).

 

[Captain Sinister]

I agree with nearly all of that-but I would still have 3 up and 3 down (I think that has benefited the game).

What?
Third team based on which team is actually third, or would you continue with play-offs?

 

[congo_red_49]

What?
Third team based on which team is actually third, or would you continue with play-offs?

Personally, and I might be on my own here, I'd like to see a one off play-off between the side that finishes third from bottom, vs the side that finishes third from top in the league below - that way the third place side only goes up if they can earn the place from the side who they are trying to replace.

 

[Captain Sinister]

Personally, and I might be on my own here, I'd like to see a one off play-off between the side that finishes third from bottom, vs the side that finishes third from top in the league below - that way the third place side only goes up if they can earn the place from the side who they are trying to replace.

I think that is such a good idea!
It is so good, the FL will never adopt it!

 

[Notcher]

What?
Third team based on which team is actually third, or would you continue with play-offs?

I actually like the playoffs Capt. It's a fantastic way to get promoted and it keeps the season alive for many clubs as far down as mid-table.

Take the current championship situation. Leeds are currently sat in 3rd position on 73 points. The season is pretty much dead for anyone 5th place down. With the current playoff system, anyone down to 11th can realistically still have a chance

 

[football post]

Personally, and I might be on my own here, I'd like to see a one off play-off between the side that finishes third from bottom, vs the side that finishes third from top in the league below - that way the third place side only goes up if they can earn the place from the side who they are trying to replace.

They did something similar in the early days of the playoffs. Charlton finished 4th bottom and played Leeds who finished 3rd in the 2nd division. Charlton won over 2 legs. Well it actually went to a third game as it was 2 - 2 over the first two games.

 

[Captain Sinister]

I actually like the playoffs Capt. It's a fantastic way to get promoted and it keeps the season alive for many clubs as far down as mid-table.

Take the current championship situation. Leeds are currently sat in 3rd position on 73 points. The season is pretty much dead for anyone 5th place down. With the current playoff system, anyone down to 11th can realistically still have a chance

And that is precisely why I don't like the playoffs.
Say Leeds finish in 3rd slot.
Then they get beaten by the team who finished 5th.
Setting aside it is Leeds, and we'd all be happy if they did lose, why should a team that has played consistently through the season and earned that third spot go out to some chancers who finished 5th?
Congo's idea is to me far better: Leeds didn't play well enough to get 1st or 2nd, but if they can overcome 3rd from bottom in the league above in a single game (at a neutral venue, with extra time and penalties), then they are rewarded with promotion.
The play-offs as they currently stand are merely to extract more money from the fans, have a final at Wembley (inconvenient and expensive for anyone north of Watford), and get more dosh from the media companies.
I know we benefitted from the play-offs 2 years ago, but that doesn't sway me - the play-offs cost me a lot of money for extra tickets, travel costs, parking fees, and beer and food at London prices.

 

[Notcher]

And that is precisely why I don't like the playoffs.
Say Leeds finish in 3rd slot.
Then they get beaten by the team who finished 5th.
Setting aside it is Leeds, and we'd all be happy if they did lose, why should a team that has played consistently through the season and earned that third spot go out to some chancers who finished 5th?
Congo's idea is to me far better: Leeds didn't play well enough to get 1st or 2nd, but if they can overcome 3rd from bottom in the league above in a single game (at a neutral venue, with extra time and penalties), then they are rewarded with promotion.
The play-offs as they currently stand are merely to extract more money from the fans, have a final at Wembley (inconvenient and expensive for anyone north of Watford), and get more dosh from the media companies.
I know we benefitted from the play-offs 2 years ago, but that doesn't sway me - the play-offs cost me a lot of money for extra tickets, travel costs, parking fees, and beer and food at London prices.

I think it's more about finishing in the top 6 than third. It keeps the season alive for so many other clubs. There comes a point so early on in the season that for a lot of clubs it would become a dead rubber and that would also massively impact attendances

 

[Captain Sinister]

I think it's more about finishing in the top 6 than third. It keeps the season alive for so many other clubs. There comes a point so early on in the season that for a lot of clubs it would become a dead rubber and that would also massively impact attendances

There are no play-offs for Premier League teams, and fans keep on going to the games.
If the argument is that for divisions below the Premier League the fans would not go to games, then there are 2 immediate solutions:
1 More money is cascaded down from the Premier League greedy clubs;
2 Clubs sell more season tickets - you pay for all games, and therefore as a true fan you keep on attending.

 

[Young Mule]

It's not ideal but honestly if we could guarantee being a yoyo club i would take that at the moment, given the circumstances. Get a season with no var bullshit where we win more than we lose and everyone's feeling happy. A sense of achievement and excitement at the end of the season for the start of the next. The novelty of playing the footballing royalty that is the top six would be renewed each time we came up.
Like i say this isn't ideal but i honestly cba with all the extra bullshit that has nothing to do with football in the top division.
I feel a bit pathetic with how angry the game at the weekend made me considering its only football but i feel it's more the straw that broke the camels back moment.
If the circumstances aren't fair for both sides then it's not sport. If it's not sport then why the f*** am i still watching it. I've watched about 3 boxing matches since Catterall got robbed against Taylor and i probably wouldn't bother with football anymore if it didn't keep me connected to my elderly relatives.
Not sure which thread to put this in but i'm in a bad mood so the mood thread seemed appropriate.

 

[Notcher]

There are no play-offs for Premier League teams, and fans keep on going to the games.
If the argument is that for divisions below the Premier League the fans would not go to games, then there are 2 immediate solutions:
1 More money is cascaded down from the Premier League greedy clubs;
2 Clubs sell more season tickets - you pay for all games, and therefore as a true fan you keep on attending.

No but you are getting to watch a much higher standard of football. I agree there such be more money cascading down but that should happen irrespective.

 

[Cloughie1975]

What?
Third team based on which team is actually third, or would you continue with play-offs?

I don’t like the play-offs and would prefer a straight 3 up,3 down as was the case when
Clough’s Forest scrambled up in 1977.I think league position should be decided over
40 or so games and not by a lottery.
Sadly,I can’t see the play-offs ever being ditched now.

 

[Ian Moore Gone Little]

Aye... and let the top six f*** off and start their own super league.

…on condition that once they’ve f***ed off they can’t come back again. Ever.

And while we’re about it, any stats relating to the top division have to refer to the top division since league football began in 1888 and not since 1992. If the BBC want to constantly caption Shearer as the league’s top scorer he‘ll have to come out of retirement and score another hundred or so until he overtakes Jimmy Greaves.