Nigel Doughty statement on OS

[DanR]

I'd like to thank Doughty for clarifiying this important matter, and for his efforts at making us a better club.

Now, if he doesn't want any more involvement, I suggest he fucks off and never darkens our door again.

 

[Col]

I suggest he fucks off and never darkens our door again.

Racist!

 

[congo_red_49]

Or did frank and MA start from £0, meaning that we are only just starting to get into debt... if so I say rack it up like all the other clubs all go shit or bust!!

This is the problem, too many clubs in the league run by people who let emotion over-ride business sense. We need to cut our cloth accordingly and only offer players contracts which we can afford, with clauses in them that reduce the overall wage bill to what we can afford when we go down. It's tough luck if such a budget leaves us uncompetitive.

 

[Tutts]

Had Billy stayed and Doughty ahd left in similar circumstances then we'd be a mid-table Championship side playing good football.

Without wishing to single out this post (sorry DLC) - this arguement always annoys the hell out of me.

No one can ever say that would have been the case. Even great managers have seasons where things inexplicably go to shit.

With Cohen & Wes's injuries plus Chambers and Camps massive drop off in form, who's to say we wouldn't still be where we are?

Keeping things laissez-faire doesn't always equal similar outcomes. We'll just never know.

 

[Rigler]

I'd like to thank Doughty for clarifiying this important matter, and for his efforts at making us a better club.

Now, if he doesn't want any more involvement, I suggest he fucks off and never darkens our door again.

Errrr, he has f**ked off.

 

[Raymondo Ponte']

When the dust finally settles you have to come to the conclusion that NFFC have been shoddily run for over a decade, allowing greedy agents demands for silly wages for players and also allowing to be held to ransom by them as finally come to a head.

Doughty nor anybody else would keep bank rolling astronomical wages, especially when the product is so crap.

It only had one outcome and we're in it. It had to end.

 

[incapable hulk]

Errrr, he has f**ked off.

Who is the clubs owner then? I thought he "couldnt give it away"?

 

[Doughty's Love Child]

Without wishing to single out this post (sorry DLC) - this arguement always annoys the hell out of me.

No one can ever say that would have been the case. Even great managers have seasons where things inexplicably go to shit.

With Cohen & Wes's injuries plus Chambers and Camps massive drop off in form, who's to say we wouldn't still be where we are?

Keeping things laissez-faire doesn't always equal similar outcomes. We'll just never know.

No probs.

Yeah you couldn't say for deffinate - but my point to JWJW was that things were going to shit with Doughty still here.

Also, even though we may have struggled more than in previous seasons I think it's safe to assume we wouldn't be striggling as much - for one McKenna and Earnshaw would prob still be here and earning less wages than Derbyshire/Miller/Reid/Greening/Boateng are, or even if they had still left I doubt Billy would have replaced them with such bad, uncommitted, signings as McClaren made (surely that wouldn't be possible? )

 

[Raymondo Ponte']

No probs.

Yeah you couldn't say for deffinate - but my point to JWJW was that things were going to shit with Doughty still here.

Also, even though we may have struggled more than in previous seasons I think it's safe to assume we wouldn't be striggling as much - for one McKenna and Earnshaw would prob still be here and earning some of the wages Derbyshire/Miller/Reid/Greening/Boateng are, or even if they had still left I doubt Billy would have replaced them with such bad, uncommitted, signings as McClaren made (surely that wouldn't be possible? )

You have to say that the McClown tenure has started this serious rot.

 

[cknu]

The club and Doughty can't do wrong from right in some fans eyes.

So if he had agreed to just a little bit more, and that didn't work, so maybe just a little bit more, and then just a few K extra wages and then.. That's what put us in the mess in the first place.

The guy has invested some £50M of actual/real money, saved us from 3rd party wind-up orders, bought us a way out of Div1 by over-paying wages, got us to two play-offs away from the Premiership. Splashed out cash on the academy etc.

Yes, he's also made mistakes, not backing Billy, appointing McClaren etc.. But overall the net result is definitely not worse. If he hadn't come in and someone else did would they have backed the club by more or less, would they have let the managers buy or loan


Players Bought / Loaned in since 2005

Rune Pedersen
David Friio
Gino Padula
Danny Cullip
Nicky Eaden
John Curtis
Ian Breckin
Sammy Clingan
Nathan Tyson
Julian Bennett
Paul Smith
Andrew Cole
Luke Chambers
Chris Cohen
Aaron Davies
Kelvin Wilson
Paul Anderson
Robert Earnshaw
Guy Moussi
Joe Garner
Lee Camp
Chris Gunter
Joel Lynch
Dexter Blackstock
Paul Mckenna
Guy Moussi
Gareth McCleary
David McGoldrick
Dele Adebola
Radoslaw Majewski
Andy reid
George Boateng
Jonathan Greening
Matt Derbyshire
Ishmael Miller
Marlon Harewood


Loanees

Anderson
Raddy
Camp
Blackstock
Gunter
James Henry
Will Hoskins
Brett Omerod
David Prutton
Alan Rogers
Kris Boyd
Carl Fletcher
George Boyd
Aaron Ramsey
Nicky Shorey
Ryan Bertrand
Paul Konchesky
Clint Hill
Greg Cunningham

...

Yes thats why we are running at an operating loss, and yes even Sir Billy has to take some blame for some of that!! I recall him saying how the £1M spent on McGoldrick was an excellent investment etc..

But that's football, ups and downs. Or as a wise man once said "a funny old game" .

We've been playing above our natural position in the leagues due to his money, now he's withdrawn it we will settle to where we should be for a club with our revenues (which as we know despite attendances is a lot lower than similar sized clubs).

That's not going to change, he's not going to change his mind, Billy is not going to be coming back. We have Cots and O'Driscoll, with the likes of Freeman, Lascelles, Bamford (My top scorer on FM in 2013 season!) we have a team that can be re-built if the pre-Madonnas go.

BUT we are still only one game away from safety in the relegation zone, we can still survive this season and rebuild, but only if the fans stop bickering about what was, what should have happened, and bickering amongst themselves. Protests aren't going to help, would be more constructive to canvas local businessmen who are Forest fans if they are willing to take on the liabilities.

 

[Doughty's Love Child]

When the dust finally settles you have to come to the conclusion that NFFC have been shoddily run for over a decade, allowing greedy agents demands for silly wages for players and also allowing to be held to ransom by them as finally come to a head.

Doughty nor anybody else would keep bank rolling astronomical wages, especially when the product is so crap.

It only had one outcome and we're in it. It had to end.

Unfortunately, this generally sums it up

 

[JWJW]

This really could be the beginning of the end for us you know.

Relegation takes away 9.5m per year, so we are unlikely to invest further. We are already paying Cotterill, SOD and the Cunningham extended loan without Doughty's money... surely that is already stretching us?

Or did frank and MA start from £0, meaning that we are only just starting to get into debt... if so I say rack it up like all the other clubs all go shit or bust!!

Yes, I think we started with ZERO when Frank took over, and so now we are just starting to go into debt with Cunningham loan, Harewood etc... of course this will be paid back when we sell players - which is why we WILL sell players this January.

Any new contract signed will mean again that we start paying the wages from any cash we have made from any sales.

This is it now, no going back. Any money spent has to be replenished by reciepts in or player sales.

ND will only pay existing contracts - in effect as soon as anyone signs a new contract he then stops paying for it and NFFC have to start paying for it by selling more players until they get the wage bill down to be equal to cash coming into the club.

I do fully expect over half the first team squad to be sold off in the coming 18 months.

 

[Doughty's Love Child]

The club and Doughty can't do wrong from right in some fans eyes.

So if he had agreed to just a little bit more, and that didn't work, so maybe just a little bit more, and then just a few K extra wages and then.. That's what put us in the mess in the first place.

The guy has invested some £50M of actual/real money, saved us from 3rd party wind-up orders, bought us a way out of Div1 by over-paying wages, got us to two play-offs away from the Premiership. Splashed out cash on the academy etc.

Yes, he's also made mistakes, not backing Billy, appointing McClaren etc.. But overall the net result is definitely not worse. If he hadn't come in and someone else did would they have backed the club by more or less, would they have let the managers buy or loan


Players Bought / Loaned in since 2005

Rune Pedersen
David Friio
Gino Padula
Danny Cullip
Nicky Eaden
John Curtis
Ian Breckin
Sammy Clingan
Nathan Tyson
Julian Bennett
Paul Smith
Andrew Cole
Luke Chambers
Chris Cohen
Aaron Davies
Kelvin Wilson
Paul Anderson
Robert Earnshaw
Guy Moussi
Joe Garner
Lee Camp
Chris Gunter
Joel Lynch
Dexter Blackstock
Paul Mckenna
Guy Moussi
Gareth McCleary
David McGoldrick
Dele Adebola
Radoslaw Majewski
Andy reid
George Boateng
Jonathan Greening
Matt Derbyshire
Ishmael Miller
Marlon Harewood


Loanees

Anderson
Raddy
Camp
Blackstock
Gunter
James Henry
Will Hoskins
Brett Omerod
David Prutton
Alan Rogers
Kris Boyd
Carl Fletcher
George Boyd
Aaron Ramsey
Nicky Shorey
Ryan Bertrand
Paul Konchesky
Clint Hill
Greg Cunningham

...

Yes thats why we are running at an operating loss, and yes even Sir Billy has to take some blame for some of that!! I recall him saying how the £1M spent on McGoldrick was an excellent investment etc..

But that's football, ups and downs. Or as a wise man once said "a funny old game" .

We've been playing above our natural position in the leagues due to his money, now he's withdrawn it we will settle to where we should be for a club with our revenues (which as we know despite attendances is a lot lower than similar sized clubs).

That's not going to change, he's not going to change his mind, Billy is not going to be coming back. We have Cots and O'Driscoll, with the likes of Freeman, Lascelles, Bamford (My top scorer on FM in 2013 season!) we have a team that can be re-built if the pre-Madonnas go.

BUT we are still only one game away from safety in the relegation zone, we can still survive this season and rebuild, but only if the fans stop bickering about what was, what should have happened, and bickering amongst themselves. Protests aren't going to help, would be more constructive to canvas local businessmen who are Forest fans if they are willing to take on the liabilities.

Been covered a million times Cknu - wrong investment and wrong policies at the wrong time.

Doughty could have invested 5689879879869858769 trillion, but if all that's been wanked off on Johnny Growcock from Shirebrook Town at John Barnes' management request it means jack shit.

 

[JWJW]

I think the fact the players know that they are all going to get sold and basically nobody is going to get their contract renewed and anything like their present wage level is what is causing the problems on the pitch.

They all know its game over for them and their contracts and they all have no future at NFFC.

They should be professionals and play as they are being paid to play - but they are all appearing to give up now and like most lazy people, are simply running down their contracts now.

Sad thing about players contracts is you cannot sack them for "lack of effort".

 

[Tutts]

You have to say that the McClown tenure has started this serious rot.

I blame him more than I blame Doughty. He seriously unbalanced the squad with his purchases (remember his big hoo-hah about 'I don't need a left back, Chris Cohen is my left back) and left us where we are.

I know we'd been sniffing round Greening for a while but I refuse to believe a manager of his 'standing' would allow players to be bought without his agreement. We're left with the likes of Derbyshire and a load of Strikers, yet no defensive cover - combined with midfield combinations which are too old and slow. I'd rather have brought in Perch than Greening to be honest.

I think Nigel has just got fed up of seeing his money wasted.

 

[Super-Garth]

The future is bleak at the moment. Those who hounded Doughty out have left us up shit creek without a paddle, a canoe, or any functioning limbs.

The most chilling part is where Doughty says 'We haven't had any offers for the club'. Should try and sell us like Wolves were sold; for £1 but the new owners have to promise X amount of investment over Y years.

 

[JWJW]

I have never supported booing the players, but given now it looks like most of them have given up and are purely going through the motions until they get sold, rather than playing to their best to help the club, I would not object to booing of anyone who really is not putting any effort in.

Rather than booing the team perhaps selective booing of the lazy bastards might at least allow some to feel better - if they must boo that is.

 

[JWJW]

...........

The most chilling part is where Doughty says 'We haven't had any offers for the club'. Should try and sell us like Wolves were sold; for £1 but the new owners have to promise X amount of investment over Y years.

A good idea but FFP means you cannot invest any money in now, unless you write it off (EG nobody will invest any money).

ND is not telling lies when he says nobody in their right mind would buy a football club from now on, with FFP coming in, that is now all over.

 

[Red Dawn]

I think the fact the players know that they are all going to get sold and basically nobody is going to get their contract renewed and anything like their present wage level is what is causing the problems on the pitch.

They all know its game over for them and their contracts and they all have no future at NFFC.

They should be professionals and play as they are being paid to play - but they are all appearing to give up now and like most lazy people, are simply running down their contracts now.

Sad thing about players contracts is you cannot sack them for "lack of effort".

Dont agree with alot of what you say, but this all over.

They are just going through the motions because like you say, they are all aware they have no future here. Shame professionalism doesnt come in isnt it?

 

[sedgred]

Been covered a million times Cknu - wrong investment and wrong policies at the wrong time.

Doughty could have invested 5689879879869858769 trillion, but if all that's been wanked off on Johnny Growcock from Shirebrook Town at John Barnes' management request it means jack shit.

So you blame him what ever Doughty has done, a look at that list will or should tell you the backing various managers have received from the Chairmans pocket, yet still he has shown no ambition, still he has not invested enough.

No wonder he thinks the over paid managers who's skills seem to stop at the cheque book now days, the leech type footballers whom he provides the wages for, fans who think their ticket money entitles them to say in where and how the money is spent, enough is enough he cries, fell on his sword over the disastrous appointment of McClaren and will honour his debts.

What more do people like you want from him ?

 

[Gary B]

He didn't say that he has had no offers. He said that he has had no offers from people that he thinks will move the club on financially ... ie pay him his money back ... he has never "invested" "bank rolled" or "ploughed in his own cash" into the club. He has never been a sugar daddy. If these loans were are from a bank instead of him and now the bank wanted their cash back would we be thanking the bank for "bank rolling us" or Doughty for trying but making a few trivial and unfortunate mistakes? I don't think so.

This club is screwed financially thank to the person running it. Bored of this ...

 

[Super-Garth]

So you blame him what ever Doughty has done, a look at that list will or should tell you the backing various managers have received from the Chairmans pocket, yet still he has shown no ambition, still he has not invested enough.

No wonder he thinks the over paid managers who's skills seem to stop at the cheque book now days, the leech type footballers whom he provides the wages for, fans who think their ticket money entitles them to say in where and how the money is spent, enough is enough he cries, fell on his sword over the disastrous appointment of McClaren and will honour his debts.

What more do people like you want from him ?

Sedge, we may not agree on much; but this is an outstanding post.

 

[sedgred]

Sedge, we may not agree on much; but this is an outstanding post.

Thank you, those thoughts passed through my mind reading your posts on the subject ! See I am not all bad.......the WUM on Down the Pub
may not be the real Sedge................. :cheers:

 

[bakeri666]

Thank you, those thoughts passed through my mind reading your posts on the subject ! See I am not all bad.......the WUM on Down the Pub
may not be the real Sedge................. :cheers:

Or is it, and this you is the act...

 

[ShakeyRed]

I think the protestors wanted him to sell and move on not leave us in limbo. What the hell does 'move us forward from a financial perspective' mean? If he doesn't want his money back like he says it means he could sell us for next to nothing, I refuse to believe no one would be interested in that. He's thrown a strop and is sick enough to watch us and thousands of fans die.

It means he wants a buyer who already has the financial clout to take the club forward, rather than someone come in buy the club for a nominal fee and then borrow heavily against it's assets and thus loading a currently debt free club with heavy debts.

I picked up on this and wondered what it meant. I 'd imagine it means if you can give me all my money back you can have my club.

Not at all

Can't imagine anybody wanting this shower of shit for 70 odd million, sell for a quid and then see if a buyer comes in.

That's because that isn't what he wants, he is not looking to recoup his investment, but I wouldn't blame him for wanting something back. But all hes seems interested in is whats best for the club, not what's best for Nigel.