Michael Mancienne

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f*** me, people in the London bubble spending the nations money like there's no tomorrow.

No wonder the country is f**ked.

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[cms186]

Not really.

They are entitled to their wages outstanding on their contract. So, we either pay them off now, and give them the whole amount in full, and they aren't our issue any more and can f*** off and play for someone else, or we pay the same amount over the remains of their contract and we have them stinking the place out.

Complete no-brainer if they aren't in our plans at all bin them.

or, we wait to see if someone wants them on the cheap so they can take them on a low fee/free transfer and we dont have to do either of those things and get rid of the player, surely you can see how thats the superior option?

 

[cms186]

Look my point was - if we AREN'T paying these contracts off (which we aren't) then what purpose does excluding them serve?

You could call it ruthless, and that's fine.

Just don't come crying to me when players treat us in the same ruthless fashion.

excluding them reinforces to them that they wont be playing competitive football with us this season (barring some sort of disaster) and might encourage them to secure a move elsewhere.

There may not be much interest in them atm, but the transfer window is closing in 3 weeks and theres a LOT of clubs out there with holes to fill in their squads, it would not surprise me in the slightest if the strategy is, hold onto them for now, wait and see who we can shift in the transfer window (even if we loan them, thats still a win) and then, if theres any still here without a new club after the window closes, think about paying them off then.

Its especially smart because players released after the transfer window cant be registered to play for another club until January, and noone wants that, so its extra incentive for those players.

 

[Barry]

I think it would be daft to pay contracts off at this point, someone will want them and may take them off our hands before we have to lay anything out other than a few weeks wages.

You arent messing them about, they know the score you arent stopping them from working, you are just not involving them in the enjoyable bit.

Id release them at the end of August if there are no takers and keep them training alone as a group away from all the other teams including the age groups. The ones who just want to play will find a club, the ones who dont id f*** with.

 

[GreeksBearingGifts]

I do not understand the discussion. You do not need Evtimov, Henderson, Mancienne, Traoré, Lam, McKay, Ward, Ariyibi, Clough, and Vellios. The manager has decided that you do not need them and it's his job to make such decisions. You will try to take as much money as possible, or at least to lose as little money as possible while shipping them out, but you will ship them out. The timing is a matter of luck, or each player's agent connections. Sooner or later they will go.

 

[Barry]

If Dean Marney can find a club....

 

[Ravi]

There's no room for passengers on the new era Forest train.

 

[Barry]

There's no room for passengers on the new era Forest train.

Said that same thing months ago was mocked for it..... even though its true.

Who wants a player who wont leave when told he aint welcome?

 

[Captain Sinister]

Fixed term contracts!
On the plus side they help attract and retain key players.
On the negative side they mean the Club has to continue to pay the contractual wages to players who become surplus to requirements until the end date of the contract.
If a player becomes surplus then there should be no need for any unpleasantness on either part.
It does the Club no good to be anything but professional and compassionate in dealing with a surplus player, and a player who acts negatively while running down the contract will not improve their chances of finding a new club.
Look at Colback at Newcastle: sticking it out to the bitter end.
He would be well advised to compromise on his current wage, prove his worth to a new club and get on with his life.

 

[Cortez the Killer]

I think they should be made to train in pink tutus on their own, wearing placards around their neck saying USELESS, SPUNKPUPPET, TOSSPOT, and NOT FIT TO HAVE THE NAME CLOUGH, etc.
Unless they bring a note from their mum.

 

[stockers]

Yes, the last thing we want is players who aren't wanted being a negative influence on the first team squad.

Or the under 23’s or whoever they may be training with. Personally considering money is no object at the money I’d wait till the start of the season and if we’ve had no takers then I’d pay them off. I’m assuming they are still training and around the place, using the resources etc. If that’s the case then it seems best to pay them off.

 

[Frank Clark’s Tash]

If we sent each one out on loan and subsidised 90% of their wages, it'd still be a better deal for the club than paying off their contracts.

Sort out a 6 month loan until January, hopefully they shine wherever they end up, and someone then comes in for them permanently.

If their attitude is really that bad and all else fails, stick them on gardening leave for the remainder of their contracts. Then they can have fun seeing how many clubs are interested in a player who hasn't kicked a ball in 12 months.

Thats's an unnecessarily draconian approach however, as there will always be a deal to be done somewhere along the line.

One clubs deadwood is another clubs dream signing. We even gave Southampton over £1 million for Carlton Palmer for heavens sake!

 

[adam09]

Not much point in them keeping sweet ‘just in case’ when they know they are 5th or 6th in the pecking order and highly unlikely to be needed anyway. It’s good to be clear and they know it’s time for a fresh start somewhere else.

 

[Strummer]

One clubs deadwood is another clubs dream signing. We even gave Southampton over £1 million for Carlton Palmer for heavens sake!

Worse, once a club even paid compensation for Steve Cotterill!

 

[BryanRoy]

Out of all the players probably only McKay is certain of a Champ move.

Problem is wages so subsidising may have to happen. Mainly for someone like Ward/Mancienne whose Championship days are hanging by a thread.

Traore & Vellios to Europe.

Heard QPR may be interested in Clough but also wondering if a L1 loan is best. Only one with LT deal ?

 

[Fawazzock]

One thing is for sure, vrentos is looking after our assets, so I expect sensible decisions

 

[DapperDan]

Worse, once a club even paid compensation for Steve Cotterill!

:facepalm:

 

['77 Red]

Well, for a start as things stand we need cover for RB don't we? Other than Matty Cash who really should be battling out for his place in midfield who else is there if Darikwa loses 'form'? MM may not be the best solution but he is our only experienced solution just now. Maybe that will change soon, who knows?
Also while not wishing to be negative about the new lads, specifically those new to EFL football we haven't seen them kick a ball yet in competition let alone on a wet, cold greasy pitch so for a number of reasons we could be looking to make some changes there to get the balance right. Again, who knows?
I think of Fox who has spent a lot of time under various managers on the surplus to requirements heap but he's shown it's possible to resurrect a career with determination and patience. I'd like to think the likes of BM, ZC might still find a chance but where there's a clear surplus then yes, it's time to move on and no doubt will if they get an offer that works. But a contract is a contract and that's the way it is.

 

[adam09]

Mancienne isn’t made of the same stuff Fox is. He’s muggle for a start.

 

[Steve B]

Wanted to post this somewhere else but couldn’t log into it, so putting here.
Name a young British player that went to Germany that has since flourished, I can’t think of any. I think some players struggle in the highly technical, mentally tough and disciplined environment in Germany. Since he came to Forest Mancienne has been a bit guilty of coming across as somewhat nonchalant in the way he plays, people expect defenders to be on high alert and hard into challenges constantly, he didn’t do that enough unfortunately. Although not his fault he played in a depressed side, and he kind of symbolised it. I expect that’s why he never excelled in Germany too.

 

[Strummer]

Wanted to post this somewhere else but couldn’t log into it, so putting here.
Name a young British player that went to Germany that has since flourished, I can’t think of any. I think some players struggle in the highly technical, mentally tough and disciplined environment in Germany. Since he came to Forest Mancienne has been a bit guilty of coming across as somewhat nonchalant in the way he plays, people expect defenders to be on high alert and hard into challenges constantly, he didn’t do that enough unfortunately. Although not his fault he played in a depressed side, and he kind of symbolised it. I expect that’s why he never excelled in Germany too.

Going back a bit, but Paul Lambert (yes he’s Scottish) won the European Cup as a player with Borussia Dortmund. He certainly developed as a player from his time in the Bundesliga.

More recently Reece Oxford went on loan from Wet Sham to Borussia Mönchengladbach, who were very keen to sign him permanently, such was their regard for him.

There’s a few young lads come from English clubs to Germany - look out for Jadon Sancho at Dortmund this season too.

 

[account deleted]

Name a young British player that went to Germany that has since flourished.

Owen Hargreaves?

 

[FinnForest]

Owen Hargreaves?

Hardly a good example.
One could almost suggest that there isn´t anything british in him other than his parents and pasport.
Born and bred in Canada, went to Germany in age of 16 to Bayern´s youth side. He was 27 when he first kicked a ball in british soil.

 

[account deleted]

Hardly a good example.
One could almost suggest that there isn´t anything british in him other than his parents and pasport.
Born and bred in Canada, went to Germany in age of 16 to Bayern´s youth side. He was 27 when he first kicked a ball in british soil.

Just putting it out there mate, no need to shoot me down

 

[Strummer]

Hargreaves is actually a good example, as he developed better in Germany than he probably would have in England.

The Manchester clubs got a better player because of his time at FC Bayern.

Granted he didn’t start his career in England, but his exposure to German football improved him significantly.