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Meet the New-Look Recruitment Team (The same as the old team (nearly))

Souvik

Souvik

First Team Squad
Do we need to change the title of this thread? Something like "New look recruitment team (have now been sacked..... but now rehired, well not all of them, only Syrianos on a consultancy basis to identify targets)"

I realise this might be rather a long thread title ,but would ensure that this forum's ironclad commitment to accuracy is upheld

Forest are magic on and off the pitch!
 
Bonalair

Bonalair

John Robertson
Souvik said:
Do we need to change the title of this thread? Something like "New look recruitment team (have now been sacked..... but now rehired, well not all of them, only Syrianos on a consultancy basis to identify targets)"

I realise this might be rather a long thread title ,but would ensure that this forum's ironclad commitment to accuracy is upheld

Forest are magic on and off the pitch!
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It’s a bit short I think, I’d go for

New look recruitment team (have now been sacked..... but now rehired, well not all of them, only Syrianos on a consultancy basis to identify targets) (squirrels)
 
congo_red_49

congo_red_49

Ale Ape
Matt said:
Ross Wilson’s remit is not signing football players. Ross Wilson’s remit is leading an organisation of some 200-500 people, some of which are recruitment.
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Well, considering the recruitment swings from scattershot to practically non-existent, the catering is probably going to kill you, the shirts are rubbish, there's a ticket membership process that isn't fit for purpose, the shirt is awful value for money, the academy isn't producing players that are viable to graduate to the first team and we've got ex-players and agents lining up at the car park gates with torches and pitchforks over unpaid monies...
What can we blame Ross for?
 
Matt

Matt

Stuart Pearce
congo_red said:
Well, considering the recruitment swings from scattershot to practically non-existent, the catering is probably going to kill you, the shirts are rubbish, there's a ticket membership process that isn't fit for purpose, the shirt is awful value for money, the academy isn't producing players that are viable to graduate to the first team and we've got ex-players and agents lining up at the car park gates with torches and pitchforks over unpaid monies...
What can we blame Ross for?
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The blokes not been here a full quarter yet, give him a minute!

In all seriousness does that not suggest to you the immense task that Wilson has in front of him? And that Murphy, for all the things we want to praise about him, didn’t solve (or begin to solve) any of those huge problems?
 
congo_red_49

congo_red_49

Ale Ape
Matt said:
The blokes not been here a full quarter yet, give him a minute!

In all seriousness does that not suggest to you the immense task that Wilson has in front of him? And that Murphy, for all the things we want to praise about him, didn’t solve (or begin to solve) any of those huge problems?
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I was been sarcastic 😁
 
Alf-engelos Mindminackers

Alf-engelos Mindminackers

The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Matt said:
In that same January, we signed Danilo who is arguably one of our biggest appreciating assets. That doesn’t fit your narrative at all, because it wasn’t a lucky punt; it was part of a continuing strategy of recruiting South American players.

Jonjo Shelvey was a Giraldi suggestion who was the ‘football man’ man brought in to run recruitment. And it made perfect sense on paper!

I get what you’re saying but the last 2 seasons have given us plenty evidence that Mariankis does, in fact, hire people and backs them to do their job. We are in a short term business, and had we not signed the likes of Boly/Aurier/Kouyate (ostensibly ‘Mariankis’ signings) we would have been woefully short last season.

A blended approach is always the sensible one. And the fact that the club have recognised their mistake and course corrected (again!) suggests they learn.
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With more consistency we can sign players like Danilo and those recruiters will also have the time to vet players like Shelvey more thoroughly too. "on paper" signings have logic behind them, consistency gives time & space to ensure that logic isn't rushed (like it obviously was behind Shelvey)
 
Barry

Barry

Where's me hammer?
Alf-engelos Mindminackers said:
With more consistency we can sign players like Danilo and those recruiters will also have the time to vet players like Shelvey more thoroughly too. "on paper" signings have logic behind them, consistency gives time & space to ensure that logic isn't rushed (like it obviously was behind Shelvey)
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Danilo was more of a risk than Shelvey all day long pal.

You can see why we brought both Shelvey and Wood in, we don't have a pass in the back line so he was brought into receive the ball deep and pick a pass... same with Wood... he was brought in as a makeshift for TA

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Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
Barry said:
Danilo was more of a risk than Shelvey all day long pal.

You can see why we brought both Shelvey and Wood in, we don't have a pass in the back line so he was brought into receive the ball deep and pick a pass... same with Wood... he was brought in as a makeshift for TA

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Agreed, the logic behind the Shelvey deal made perfect sense, he had played regularly in a Newcastle side in a similar position to us the season before, and had been a regular PL player for most of the previous 10 years.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I think a lot of the negativity on here towards the deal were because people thought he's a twat as opposed to his ability - which in practice didn't suit our system anyway. But the use case to bring him in was as you said...
 
Matt

Matt

Stuart Pearce
Statto said:
Agreed, the logic behind the Shelvey deal made perfect sense, he had played regularly in a Newcastle side in a similar position to us the season before, and had been a regular PL player for most of the previous 10 years.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I think a lot of the negativity on here towards the deal were because people thought he's a twat as opposed to his ability - which in practice didn't suit our system anyway. But the use case to bring him in was as you said...
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We’re taking use cases now? Big up the IT project mandem!
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
congo_red_49

congo_red_49

Ale Ape
Statto said:
Agreed, the logic behind the Shelvey deal made perfect sense, he had played regularly in a Newcastle side in a similar position to us the season before, and had been a regular PL player for most of the previous 10 years.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I think a lot of the negativity on here towards the deal were because people thought he's a twat as opposed to his ability - which in practice didn't suit our system anyway. But the use case to bring him in was as you said...
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In fairness, those who were negative towards the deal because he was a twat we're proven correct by him behaving like a twat and becoming another deadweight financial drain on an already bloated squad.
 
Omar Devone Little

Omar Devone Little

Mr Realistic
Statto said:
Agreed, the logic behind the Shelvey deal made perfect sense, he had played regularly in a Newcastle side in a similar position to us the season before, and had been a regular PL player for most of the previous 10 years.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I think a lot of the negativity on here towards the deal were because people thought he's a twat as opposed to his ability - which in practice didn't suit our system anyway. But the use case to bring him in was as you said...
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Some of us saw the flaws in the Wood and Shelvey deals from the beginning. They were never going to be a good fit and smacked of desperation from minute one.
 
Alf-engelos Mindminackers

Alf-engelos Mindminackers

The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Barry said:
Danilo was more of a risk than Shelvey all day long pal.

You can see why we brought both Shelvey and Wood in, we don't have a pass in the back line so he was brought into receive the ball deep and pick a pass... same with Wood... he was brought in as a makeshift for TA

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I'm disputing any of that. I'm saying had Giraldi been someone here for longer he'd have had time to suss out the likes of Shelvey more.

I totally get why we took the risks we did. But consistency in recruitment minimizes risks as the people there have longer to scout and assess players.
 
G

garibaldi

Jack Armstrong
No goalkeeper or back up striker recruited this summer. 2 of the most important positions on the pitch.

f***ing tragic!
 
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EmmersonForest4

Steve Chettle
People will say cooper hasn’t been involved enough and that’s a problem. I disagree with seeing who cooper wants and how he deploys them. The biggest cock up is abandoning Syrianos and Giraldi. The pair on hindsight were a good mix. Cheap older pros and young inexpensive talent. Last summer was a balls up.

However again can a different manager do better though? Lots wrote the squad off when Hughton was manager.
 
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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
The squad that many were quick to write off under Hughton had a good balance to it though: A decent keeper, reasonably strong centre backs who could play out, a ball player and box to box centre midfielder, some pace and out wide and a striker that could put the ball in the net.

Our starting eleven currently is short of a winger, striker and doesn't have the same quality of keeper nor do we have as much pace. And we're playing against better quality opposition.

Hughton was absolutely dogshit. Cooper isn't. There won't be any magical mid table finish if we oust Cooper. We're going to be in a relegation battle whoever is in charge. Plenty of people tried to warn those who were getting giddy pre season about a top half finish that a similar season to last was significantly more likely.
 
Listen 'ere young man

Listen 'ere young man

Jack Burkitt
The pre season was shocking. The performances were awful but people were saying it had no bearing on the season proper. Yet here we are.

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Redemption

Redemption

Agenda Benda
EmmersonForest4 said:
Syrianos
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He returned as a consultant in August. At the time, a flurry of signings- Dominguez, Vlachademos, Sangare- all seemed to make it over the line. Syrianos had unblocked the dam, was the consensus.

You appeared to welcome it

So I don't think its a slight on Ross Wilson its just Syrianos is a data stats man and there is a space for that in football
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