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Mason Holgate

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
I’m not sure he would be an immediate improvement on Joe/Boly so I don’t really see the point.

If we still played a 3 then maybe my opinion would be different.
Yeah how I see it. Don't think he's a bad player but we've got four competent centre backs as it is so if we're looking for another I want him to be a huge upgrade: Niakhate+ quality.

Not convinced Holgate gets into our team as it stands.
 

Omar Devone Little

Mr Realistic
You were earlier.
Genuine question Otis and I don't mean it to appear patronising, but are you aware there is an ignore feature on the forum? You must obsessively quote me 5/6 times a day and my views clearly irritate you for some reason...
 

Gyros Peter

Sauce salad?
I’m not sure he would be an immediate improvement on Joe/Boly so I don’t really see the point.

If we still played a 3 then maybe my opinion would be different.
I do wonder if we will return to a three at some point. Not saying we should, just with Niakhate returning the option is there.

Seem to remember Holgate being touted as able to play centre mid (as well as full back) earlier in his career too. He's really comfortable on the ball isn't he?
 

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
I do wonder if we will return to a three at some point. Not saying we should, just with Niakhate returning the option is there.

We don't have the wing backs to do it at this level currently. Richards might be good enough, if he ever gets fit, but all our other options have an observable weakness that means they're not good enough to be both defensively strong and carry our wide threat.
 

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
More chance of Nick Mason drumming on Piper at the Gates of Dawn.
 

Gyros Peter

Sauce salad?
We don't have the wing backs to do it at this level currently. Richards might be good enough, if he ever gets fit, but all our other options have an observable weakness that means they're not good enough to be both defensively strong and carry our wide threat.
Williams has it in him I think but probably isn't there yet. Would expect Lodi to be up to it - I thought he'd played there for Brazil but maybe I misunderstand thier system?

You're probably right though, in that both probably look more comfortable going forwards than defending in that system, though a mobile left and right center back might help there?
 

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Williams has it in him I think but probably isn't there yet. Would expect Lodi to be up to it - I thought he'd played there for Brazil but maybe I misunderstand thier system?

You're probably right though, in that both probably look more comfortable going forwards than defending in that system, though a mobile left and right center back might help there?
It's the ability to carry the ball long distances which we'd need, and I don't think either Lodi or Williams can do it.
 

Otis Redding

Try A Little Tenderness
Genuine question Otis and I don't mean it to appear patronising, but are you aware there is an ignore feature on the forum? You must obsessively quote me 5/6 times a day and my views clearly irritate you for some reason...
You ask a fair question mate. If it appears that I single you out it's not my intention as I will happily 'like' your posts too if you say something I agree with. If I appear rude or insulting (which I try not to), I apologise. If it genuinely bothers you I'll certainly try not to respond, but I thought a forum such as this is all about debate and/or confronting different opinions (in a reasonable way of course)?

I'm a 'glass half-full' man, whilst you generally come across as 'glass half-empty' on most Forest-related topics, so I guess that being the type of gobshite I usually am, there's always a chance it will stimulate a challenge from me.
 

Omar Devone Little

Mr Realistic
We don't have the wing backs to do it at this level currently. Richards might be good enough, if he ever gets fit, but all our other options have an observable weakness that means they're not good enough to be both defensively strong and carry our wide threat.
I think a big problem for the 3 at the back system is that your 2 in the middle have to brilliant at this level to cope with what is generally a 3 they're coming up against. You need help from at least one attacking player and earlier this season it didn't seem like we had thr fitness (Lingard) or the willingness (Johnson) to do it so were just hopelessly outnumbered and outgunned.

It was early days I know but we had LOB and Colback against Joelinton, Willock and Guimaraes first game of the season. It doesn't take a genius to see how that one will go 😆
 

Omar Devone Little

Mr Realistic
You ask a fair question mate. If it appears that I single you out it's not my intention as I will happily 'like' your posts too if you say something I agree with. If I appear rude or insulting (which I try not to), I apologise. If it genuinely bothers you I'll certainly try not to respond, but I thought a forum such as this is all about debate and/or confronting different opinions (in a reasonable way of course)?

No it doesn't bother me at all. Quite the opposite actually as I enjoy the debate on here and at the end of the day we all want success for Forest.

I accept my opinion differs from large parts of the forum on certain things which is fine, not a problem for me but it maybe is for others. I'd like to think I put across my viewpoint and at least try and back it up with some sort of logic (even if it only makes sense to me sometimes 😆) and as far as I'm aware have never posted anything personal or abusive to anyone, not sure how I could anyway as I don't know anyone on here AFAIK.

I only suggested it for your own sanity 😄
 

Gyros Peter

Sauce salad?
I think a big problem for the 3 at the back system is that your 2 in the middle have to brilliant at this level to cope with what is generally a 3 they're coming up against. You need help from at least one attacking player and earlier this season it didn't seem like we had thr fitness (Lingard) or the willingness (Johnson) to do it so were just hopelessly outnumbered and outgunned.

It was early days I know but we had LOB and Colback against Joelinton, Willock and Guimaraes first game of the season. It doesn't take a genius to see how that one will go 😆
Agree with that, though I guess I wonder whether it's a system we would like to be able to switch to in game for specific reasons? I'm only really going on that we started the season that way and used it so well last year at the lower level (admittedly where you aren't playing against Joelinton and the like), it's just the mobile right sided player linked reminded me.
 

thehockleyhustler

Stuart Pearce
Spoke to an Everton fan mate about him. Said he is best alongside a strong leader and has a questionable attitude. Seemed pretty pleased that we are looking to take some of their "overhead".

Then again, he thinks Lampard is a good manager so you might want to take his views with a pinch of salt

As always, I will trust the club if they think he's a good fit but won't be fussed if it's no more than paper talk. Think we can do better.

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DanR

Steve Chettle
More chance of Perry Mason.
 

Omar Devone Little

Mr Realistic
Agree with that, though I guess I wonder whether it's a system we would like to be able to switch to in game for specific reasons? I'm only really going on that we started the season that way and used it so well last year at the lower level (admittedly where you aren't playing against Joelinton and the like), it's just the mobile right sided player linked reminded me.
Cooper to me seems like the kind of manager who is happy to adapt depending on his players. Which is how managers should be IMO but we see that most aren't and stubbornly stick with 4-4-2 or whatever until they get the boot.

I have no idea what system his Swansea team used but it seems like he identified 3-4-3 as the best formation for us last season and now it's clear we don't have the players for it he's identified 4-3-3 as the formation best suited now. Deep down he probably has a preference but the flexibility is a great trait for a manager to have.
 

Omar Devone Little

Mr Realistic
Just browsing the Blackpool forum ahead of tomorrow and there's a thread on Holgate being available which is unbelievable enough but then someone actually says he wouldn't improve them :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 

redodare

First Team Squad
Presume Cooper will be familar with Holgate from England Youth Set Up?
The Everton fan I spoke to endorsed the questionable attitude view - 'thinks he better than he is" and "lacks concentration".
Should fit right in.
 
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