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Grenville Morris
Anyone any idea how much he’s paid?
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Lewis Grabban
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Anyone any idea how much he’s paid?
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
I would estimate his first year to be around £25k, that might well be reduced each year with his age although the way we threw contracts around previously it could well be the same. Hopefully we could reduce that to £15k and raise his goal bonus considerably.
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Grenville Morris
If it’s 25 then we are in for 2.6M over 2 years
Can we afford those sorts of contracts?
Can we afford those sorts of contracts?
Cloughie1975
John Robertson
Probably not.
If we look at events down the A52 it shows what can happen if finances aren't controlled properly-perhaps
clubs will start to take a more realistic approach to players wages(given the effect of COVID).
Mr. Blonde
Jack Burkitt
Based on what?
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
It's purely a guess based upon other wages that seem fair estimates. It also appears that Jenkinson is on that kind of salary so it would be a fair assumption that a striker of Grabbans quality at this level would command a similar amount based on the contracts we were giving out at the time.
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Master Yates
John Robertson
25k is about right for a player of his age, calibre and position, although we did something weird with the fee to bring his wages down a bit when we signed him didn’t we?
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we bought him from a premiership club. Reportedly signed on 35k pw. Definitely not cheap and highly doubt he'll settle for 15k pw on a new contract , one year extension on his current contract.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...st-Wolves-Big-signings-restored-optimism.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...st-Wolves-Big-signings-restored-optimism.html
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Grenville Morris
It’s a really difficult one. My guess is he’s on closer to 35-I think he would have left if we short changed him on wages.
This is why I’d give him a year not 2. Look at Derby-you only have to have a few contracts like this and you’re on a knife edge…
Timothy Pope
I know that Nuno that I know that Nuno that I know
Unless he goes for a final payday in Qatar or somewhere similar- Grabban is not going to get anywhere near £35k .
He’ll go wherever can offer the longest deal.
We should and probably will offer him a further 2 years on a reduced wage
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He’ll go wherever can offer the longest deal.
We should and probably will offer him a further 2 years on a reduced wage
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valspoodle
Steve Chettle
I have to say the rather soft way that clubs deal with players these days allows said players to make such ridiculous demands. 35k a week in the Championship! Even if half that it beggars belief.
Just tell the players what the offer is. That's it. A small amount of negotiation, but that's it. If every club adopted such an approach, we wouldn't be in this appalling position where most of us scrabble for crumbs from the table of the parachute clubs.
Just tell the players what the offer is. That's it. A small amount of negotiation, but that's it. If every club adopted such an approach, we wouldn't be in this appalling position where most of us scrabble for crumbs from the table of the parachute clubs.
All this talk of giving him an extra 2 years comes on the back of him scoring 2 goals in his last game. One of which was a penalty, the other a scuffed finish which barely crossed the line. He's having a good spell at the moment but he'll be 34 at the end of his current deal. Time to move on. We've had Murphy and Murray up front recently when they were clearly well past it. Let's not make the same mistake again.
Cloughie1975
John Robertson
Yes,players wages have crippled Forest(and other clubs)for years.
Hopefully,the COVID crisis will cause clubs to realign their salary structures to match their income.
Danga
Formerly JLingz
While I’m not in the bin him out camp, I think we should hold off till the end the season and assess it then. Past two season his form has been up and down, he’s on a good run at the moment but after Christmas it could turn again and he looks a shadow of his former self. Not sure what the advantage is jumping the gun to get him signed up for a longer deal.
In general though I’ve been very critical of Grabban during the Hughton era, chuffed his form has picked up of late and hope it continues.
In general though I’ve been very critical of Grabban during the Hughton era, chuffed his form has picked up of late and hope it continues.
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
I disagree. Grabban guarantees you goals at this level. An experienced replacement comes with a premium price, a young player or one making the step up is an unknown. Giving Grabban another year is a low risk investment for a player that will score goals, link up play and just as importantly, be a significant mentor on the training pitch for the younger strikers to learn from. The fact he scored his penalty and scored one that wasn't the cleanest finish are complete strawman arguments to not give him an extension.
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Cloughie1975
John Robertson
I wouldn't agree that his 2 recent goals have caused the talk of an extra 2 years(he has been in good form this
season),but there are plenty on this forum happy to give him that.It is clear he is approaching the twilight of
his career,and is being managed by Steve Cooper with this in mind.
As I said in an earlier post,surely the days of offering ageing stars a final pension are over at Nottingham
Forest-we need some younger blood with a potential resale value(i.e appreciating assets).
50 goals in 128 games, 8 in 16 this season and we're talking about binning him off because he's 33 and 'past his best'.
He may well be 'past his best' but even if he halves that scoring rate over the next two seasons he's going to be scoring more goals than anyone else we've had in the last 7 years.
By all means get a replacement in and gradually phase him out but to just let him go for nothing because he's 33 doesn't make sense!
I can see now some of the same posters saying we should get rid moaning this time next year that the new striker we bought is crap and has only scored 1 goal in 18 games and look at Lewis Grabban still banging them in for (insert Championship club here).
Worth noting to all those who are saying reassess in February or the summer that as he will be out of contract he can discuss terms elsewhere in January.
He may well be 'past his best' but even if he halves that scoring rate over the next two seasons he's going to be scoring more goals than anyone else we've had in the last 7 years.
By all means get a replacement in and gradually phase him out but to just let him go for nothing because he's 33 doesn't make sense!
I can see now some of the same posters saying we should get rid moaning this time next year that the new striker we bought is crap and has only scored 1 goal in 18 games and look at Lewis Grabban still banging them in for (insert Championship club here).
Worth noting to all those who are saying reassess in February or the summer that as he will be out of contract he can discuss terms elsewhere in January.
Cloughie1975
John Robertson
This may be an irrelevant debate anyway-I suspect Forest will be unable to offer Grabban the deal he
requires(given the commitment of the club to reduce the wage bill and average age of the squad).
As for any new striker being 'crap',surely this is the job of Dane Murphy and the scouting system to ensure this
isn't the case.
I just get nervous when ageing players are in a 'comfort zone',as they tend not to perform.
Also,it usually means that our top young talent
is sold to fund these deals-a policy that has killed this club and breaks the hearts of its supporters.
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Project Zeus
Steve Chettle
I think you're underestimating the kind of wages a top goalscorer in this division can command.
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Statto
Free Kick Specialist
Impossible to say if it's the same situation with Grabban this time or if the situation would have turned out different if we'd kept him - but look what happened the last time we had a good goalscorer and let him leave when his deal ran out (Earnshaw). Though partially this was due to the existing strikers being different players and not as much goalscorers (Tudgay, Blackstock) and the replacements being cack (Miller, Derbyshire). Grabban pretty much has little resale value now due to his age, at least relative to what he cost, so we should definitely keep hold of him whilst we're looking for a replacement.
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Grenville Morris
…and pigs might fly….
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
I don't believe he's on £35k a week. He came from a Premier League club sure but he couldn't get a game there and he had no other suitors (for a permanent deal anyway) apart from Forest. Plus, the PL club was Bournemouth, who weren't going to be paying him loads to start with.
He's probably on 2 something, and if we offer him a two year extension we should be able to get that down to 1 something. Even at the top end of that range, you're talking £2m in total for the 2 year extension, which probably offers better value than signing a new player who will either cost a transfer fee or a hefty signing on fee if on a bosman, plus wages - with no guarantee the player will fit in.
Makes sense to give Grabban at least an extra year if not two for me, and plan to phase him out over that timeframe with a younger alternative.
He's probably on 2 something, and if we offer him a two year extension we should be able to get that down to 1 something. Even at the top end of that range, you're talking £2m in total for the 2 year extension, which probably offers better value than signing a new player who will either cost a transfer fee or a hefty signing on fee if on a bosman, plus wages - with no guarantee the player will fit in.
Makes sense to give Grabban at least an extra year if not two for me, and plan to phase him out over that timeframe with a younger alternative.
TommyT
Jack Burkitt
you lot really turn this forum into a sewing circle sometimes...
15k 25k 35k - I mean....
Trust in the yank and thank god we aren't Derby.
Edit: I love you all.
The best bunch of lads.
15k 25k 35k - I mean....
Trust in the yank and thank god we aren't Derby.
Edit: I love you all.
The best bunch of lads.
Matt
Stuart Pearce
Important to note grabban has played more games for Forest than any other club in his career IIRC. We’re as close to a home as he’s ever had. Perhaps why he’s been made captain.
I’d like to see him stay for another couple years.
I’d like to see him stay for another couple years.
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Grenville Morris
I think we all would Matt, provided he doesn't do a Dawson and provided the sums are tolerable.
I actually think its a very difficult contract the last one at this stage in a good servants career-logic and stats suggests that the player won't play the same number of games as previously and similarly hes statistically less likely to be as effective, so the sums underpinning the contract should reflect that. So often though players (and agents) want to squeeze the pips and its why so many half decent players end up heading out to Asia or Saudi or somewhere similar at this stage.
I'd hope there would be some sort of compromise that rewards Lewis and keeps him here but also doesn't knock a chunk out of our financial plan for the next couple of years.