Jorge Grant

[MASE]

Only problem is he probably isn't the one that will be here at the end of the season.

Chance v Burton : Subbed off on 45 + other starts as well.
He is the young player around the first team that is always there but never backed.

The midfield has major issues. Probably best that Kasami, Vaughan, Lansbury & Cohen may not be here at the end of the season to give us a chance of re-building it. Problem is, I don't think I want too many new signings as I don't really trust our recruitment policy at this point.

Been bored of actually signing players on transfers for quite some time now.

Depends what constitutes a chance, if your only getting a game or two in a side thats misfired for donkeys, its going to be tough trying to make an immediate impression.

Dont recall Grant ever getting a sustained opportunity, whilst the likes of Kasami are bombing week in week out.

 

[BryanRoy]

Depends what constitutes a chance, if your only getting a game or two in a side thats misfired for donkeys, its going to be tough trying to make an immediate impression.

Dont recall Grant ever getting a sustained opportunity, whilst the likes of Kasami are bombing week in week out.

Performances haven't warranted it at all. Hence the reasons why he can't stay on the pitch for 90 minutes.

Either way, he needs to stand tall the next time he gets a start otherwise as I said in the summer, he will quietly slip away.

 

[Otis Redding]

The lad is a very tidy footballer with decent vision and good movement but, to my untrained eye, appears to possibly lack the kind of physicality that an effective Championship central-midfielder to some extent requires.

I'd be delighted for him, and the team, if he can get the opportunity to demonstrate that I know f***-all.

 

[Rzar]

He should have moved on or had a loan in the summer in my opinion.

Maybe I am being harsh but I can't see him being a Championship standard footballer for a long time yet, and as he is 22 he is too old for us to wait any longer.

 

[adam09]

He reminds me of Matt Thornhill who also looked a promising attacking midfielder who was restricted to bit part appearances and I remembering thinking exactly the same things about him - never really got a proper run to improve and was cast off. I suppose Evtimov is in the same position now too. Surely the point of the academy isn't just to hope we strike lucky and find a Burke or Bamford we can sell on but to fill the team with quality lads who want to make a career for themselves. I've never been a fan of the constant merry go round of players, especially the endless amounts of loans over the seasons as well which have mostly been crap.

It may well be Grant isn't going to fire us up the Championship table but at the minute, the players who we've brought in are actually taking us the wrong way.

 

[Otis Redding]

He reminds me of Matt Thornhill who also looked a promising attacking midfielder who was restricted to bit part appearances and I remembering thinking exactly the same things about him - never really got a proper run to improve and was cast off......

I thought MT had a genuine chance of doing something, at lower-end FL level if not in the Championship or possibly higher.

He seemed to stand out amongst his peers in the academy for the way he always played with his head up, along with his goalscoring instincts. He initially looked to bring those assets with him to the first team but, for whatever reason, couldn't sustain it.

 

[SparrowsAnus]

Whenever I've seen Grant play, the games just seem to pass him by, and you barely realise he's on the field. At least Kasami makes himself available and tries to influence the game even if he's on a dire run of form. Given his age he should be making an impact on the game when he plays and doesn't seem capable.

Wish him luck, and move him on for the good of his career.

 

[Strummer]

Matt Thornhill and also Mark Byrne was another who looked to have all the tools but for whatever reason, it never happened.

Much as I like Jorge Grant, I'd have to admit Matty Cash showed far more in his brief cameo this season (pre-injury) than Jorge Grant has in the last season and a half.

 

[Mr Fox]

Matt Thornhill and also Mark Byrne was another who looked to have all the tools but for whatever reason, it never happened.

Much as I like Jorge Grant, I'd have to admit Matty Cash showed far more in his brief cameo this season (pre-injury) than Jorge Grant has in the last season and a half.

I think that is true. Cash just seems to have more self-confidence. Grant doesn't have that natural self belief. The thing is you are never sure what a player can do until he feels at home in the first team and I get the impression that Grant is not convinced he belongs yet. He needs a manager to encourage him and bring out that confidence.

 

[Rzar]

I think that is true. Cash just seems to have more self-confidence. Grant doesn't have that natural self belief. The thing is you are never sure what a player can do until he feels at home in the first team and I get the impression that Grant is not convinced he belongs yet. He needs a manager to encourage him and bring out that confidence.

I think Cash is just a quicker learner.

It's actually quiet alarming in the speed he takes things in as he listens very well. It is a great trait to have.

 

[MASE]

Whenever I've seen Grant play, the games just seem to pass him by, and you barely realise he's on the field. At least Kasami makes himself available and tries to influence the game even if he's on a dire run of form. Given his age he should be making an impact on the game when he plays and doesn't seem capable.

Wish him luck, and move him on for the good of his career.

Seen enough of Kasami to feel the Grant question is a legitimate one. Kasami may well make himself available, but dwelling on the ball, misplacing passes & neglecting defensive duties make his influence largely detrimental to the team.

Give Grant the game time Kasami has been afforded & Id be confident he'd contribute more. Couldnt be any worse could he.

Good chance to invest in another one of our own in my opinion.

 

[Tobias]

Cash and Worrall seemed to benefit massively from loans in the lower divisions. It's a shame that Grant was never afforded the same luxury.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

I just don't see where he fits in now with the competition he has in relation to the lack of competition he genuinely had this time last year?

I'd just give him at least another year or so developing and trying him out. I think of how bad players like Harewood looked in their first few years with us, and alwyas reckon it's worth persisting with younger players for a few years at least.

Folk have said he's more of a L1 player. Well we may be a L1 club next year.

 

[Ravi]

Needs to go out on loan, but with Cash injured he's needed as cover.

 

[BryanRoy]

Scored for the 23s now but if he is playing tonight probably an indication he isn't starting Saturday.

 

[MASE]

Id bench Kasami & give Grant a proper run in the side. There can only be good come out of it, Kasami brings nothing.

 

[Masuka]

I do feel for Grant. He needs first team football or he won't improve, there must be a league 1/2 team that would take him, or even a place in our first team ahead of the joker that is Kasami, as he's far too good to be playing under 23s.

 

[BryanRoy]

We in a difficult situation now aren't we. If we wait till Cash comes back and we send him on loan , will we be learning much with him being 22 and the same if he stays and doesn't start.

I do genuinely believe we need to get answers with him though.

So we need to see if he sinks or swims. Start him but then he needs to earn the 90 minutes and another start. Not just given to him on a platter because of our poor senior midfielders.

 

[adam09]

We've long had an abundance of midfielders and they've never really clicked and nobody has ever managed to find the magic balance. The only time it has looked any good is when Vaughan has been fit and on form and we had Antonio or Burke to counter with. Those times have been rather limited though. Vaughan has done well for us but is on his last legs at this level (Cohen too unfortunately) and it's time to streamline the squad of players not up to it and find a young player or two for that role who we can build the side around for the next 5 years.

 

[Kieran]

I must be in the minority that was impressed with him during his few opportunities in the first team. I enjoyed his work as an attacking midfielder, disappointed not to see him go out on loan last season to see what he could do in another side.

 

[Master Yates]

He needs to go out loan in my opinion, get 20-odd starts, score some goals, then come back next summer ready to challenge for a starting spot.

He won't be a kid then, and will have to earn his place in the team.

Problem is though, his best position is behind the striker(s) yet we don't even play Lansbury there (also his best position) so Grant gets shoe-horned into the side deeper or out wide (like end of the Wednesday game).

Midfield needs a refurb urgently, and with Kasami, Vaughan, Cohen and Lansbury all out of contract next summer, Grant will most likely have competition from new signings. On the other hand, it's an opportunity for him.

I hope he takes it but starting to fear for him. I have a feeling he's one we might let go and then he'll get games somewhere, do well and work his way back to our level


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[Trickie Trees]

He needs to go out loan in my opinion, get 20-odd starts, score some goals, then come back next summer ready to challenge for a starting spot.

He won't be a kid then, and will have to earn his place in the team.

Problem is though, his best position is behind the striker(s) yet we don't even play Lansbury there (also his best position) so Grant gets shoe-horned into the side deeper or out wide (like end of the Wednesday game).

Midfield needs a refurb urgently, and with Kasami, Vaughan, Cohen and Lansbury all out of contract next summer, Grant will most likely have competition from new signings. On the other hand, it's an opportunity for him.

I hope he takes it but starting to fear for him. I have a feeling he's one we might let go and then he'll get games somewhere, do well and work his way back to our level


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He's a Stephen McLaughlin type level. League 1 or 2 at least for the next season or two.

 

[MASE]

He's a Stephen McLaughlin type level. League 1 or 2 at least for the next season or two.

Not sure how we're able to determine this based on the limited opportunity he's been afforded.

Its not really about the level of Grant anyway, its more about introducing something different into a hopelessly misfiring midfield.

Grant will at least bring a bit of hunger.

 

[Statto]

He won't be a kid then, and will have to earn his place in the team.

He isn't a kid now. He's 3 years older than Burke and Cash.

 

[Senior Flange Technician]

Bit still young in appearance terms. He hasn't gone through the academy like the others either so is a few years behind where he could be.

Oh and Realred Lansbury has proven time and again he is not suited to the role behind the striker, he's best as a CM with licence to get ahead of the striker, play him further up and he's lost with his back to goal.