Ibrahim Sangaré

[Cureboy]

Yeah it's still early days. Even in that Newcastle game he wasn't very good in the first half imo. I don't think we were very good at all in the first half an hour in that game actually. Our most 'complete' performance was probably Man U at home and Sangare wasn't there.

 

[Erik]

We would expect a £35m player to be bossing games because we've never had a £35m player so it stands to reason he should be the best player on the pitch for us.

Trouble is he's up against midfields where the least valuable player is going to cost around £40m.

Having said that, if we're going to spend £35m on a player we need them to hit the ground running, not wait a season to get used to the standard - Because we can do that with a £10m player almost as effectively.

 

[tomw94]

We would expect a £35m player to be bossing games because we've never had a £35m player so it stands to reason he should be the best player on the pitch for us.

Trouble is he's up against midfields where the least valuable player is going to cost around £40m.

Having said that, if we're going to spend £35m on a player we need them to hit the ground running, not wait a season to get used to the standard - Because we can do that with a £10m player almost as effectively.

This is a good point, this is why you would expect if he starts against Luton to be able to dominate.

 

[congo_red_49]

Needs to up his intensity if he's going to be a Premier League player. Should be easy enough with his physical gifts, but if he's going to keep strolling around like he's still in Holland, then he's a waste of a shirt.

 

[Strummer]

It isn’t just Sangaré under-performing, it’s that the club also had to get rid of Mangala - who, like it or not, had been Forest‘s most consistent midfielder this season - to offset the cost.

Get a (potentially) good player in, yes; but weakening yourself in the process?

Not so cool.

 

[andover red]

I'm still hopeful that he'll come good and be a big part of us staying up then improving next season

But is he £25m better than Mangala? Not a chance. We're still new in this league and we lost sight of the crucial principle of buy low and sell high. Had we stuck with Mangala we would have had an equally good player and another £25m to strengthen elsewhere.

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[adam09]

To early to judge in my opinion. Not had a chance to settle and then was away at AFCON and injured.
Our best performance of the season came with him the middle vs Newcastle away, I’m still hopeful.
Even against Brighton he showed positive glimpses where he immediately looked up to split the lines and played a couple of great balls. So I was surprised everyone was giving as much shit as they were for a 20 minute cameo.

Newcastle away was the best result but don't know about performance. We kept it tight and it was all about MGW/Wood/Elanga on the break. We were clinical and didn't make 4 mistakes, so we won. We've probably played as well or better against Brentford, United and Liverpool recently but come away with nothing due to mistakes/refs/poor finishing. Been a theme of the entire season.

As for Sangare, we'll probably never find out if he's any good because if we go down, he'll put more effort into finding a move away than he has done on the pitch so far.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

I mean, I get the "he'll come good" line for young players coming through and players settling.

Any players younger than 25 can still developing physically, and are usually still learning their trade. Settling in can obviously take time, especially when moving to a new country/league, and especially at a club like ours where a player can hide away in the bloat.

But should a 26 year old who's been her over half a season now be doing better? Sorry, but yeah. I think that's enough time for someone of Sangare's age to start showing what he's about.

This guy's approaching his peak now, and needs to start impressing soon. Ideally against Luton and Palace if he features.

 

[Gyros Peter]

I mean, I get the "he'll come good" line for young players coming through and players settling.

Any players younger than 25 can still developing physically, and are usually still learning their trade. Settling in can obviously take time, especially when moving to a new country/league, and especially at a club like ours where a player can hide away in the bloat.

But should a 26 year old who's been her over half a season now be doing better? Sorry, but yeah. I think that's enough time for someone of Sangare's age to start showing what he's about.

This guy's approaching his peak now, and needs to start impressing soon. Ideally against Luton and Palace if he features.

I get that you don't rate him, but don't you think there's an adjustment period for players that haven't played in the Prem, or even the English game, before?

There's a massive shift in intensity, one that I'd agree Sangare needs to adjust to and fast.

 

[Gyros Peter]

And if he plays this weekend I reckon he'll be ok, nothing spectacular but a decent 6.5-7/10, and lots of folk will still be calling him shit.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

I get that you don't rate him, but don't you think there's an adjustment period for players that haven't played in the Prem, or even the English game, before?

There's a massive shift in intensity, one that I'd agree Sangare needs to adjust to and fast.

Yes, I just think half a season is long enough to do that for someone his age reaching their physical and mental peak.

At that point in your career you should be able to up your game in half a season surely? I'm not saying be top tier 9/10 in that time, but Sangare has frankly looked barely 5/10 most games. Expecting some 7/10 performances after 6 months here from a player approaching their peak shouldn't be asking too much for my money.

Part of the premium you pay for players at that age is because you're buying them at their physical peak. So it should be making a difference. I get that it may take his body time to adjust to the Prem, but surely half a season is long enough for that adjustment to start reaping some 7/10 performances?

 

[Strummer]

Yes, I just think half a season is long enough to do that for someone his age reaching their physical and mental peak.

At that point in your career you should be able to up your game in half a season surely? I'm not saying be top tier 9/10 in that time, but Sangare has frankly looked barely 5/10 most games. Expecting some 7/10 performances after 6 months here from a player approaching their peak shouldn't be asking too much for my money.

Especially since, to financially accommodate Sangaré, Forest it seems had to get rid of Orel Mangala, who was this season an absolutely consistent 7/10 player, every week, up until Forest bundled him off to Lyon.

 

[ben_b]

Not sure why Sangare is getting criticism when he has played 40 minutes in the last 14 games. The last game he started was probably our best result of the season.

Give him a start this weekend and see how he gets on. Now that Mangala has gone surely he will be getting a run in the team.

 

[adam09]

Not sure why Sangare is getting criticism when he has played 40 minutes in the last 14 games. The last game he started was probably our best result of the season.

Give him a start this weekend and see how he gets on. Now that Mangala has gone surely he will be getting a run in the team.

It'd be nice to see him run as a starting point.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Not sure why Sangare is getting criticism when he has played 40 minutes in the last 14 games. The last game he started was probably our best result of the season.

Give him a start this weekend and see how he gets on. Now that Mangala has gone surely he will be getting a run in the team.

Hopefully.

The Dom + Danilo combo isn't one I like currently, especially with Murillo behind them, far too much inconsistency there despite them all having the ability to turn it on when a good day hits.

Sangare is on paper, a big answer to some of our issues.

 

[Gyros Peter]

Yes, I just think half a season is long enough to do that for someone his age reaching their physical and mental peak.

At that point in your career you should be able to up your game in half a season surely? I'm not saying be top tier 9/10 in that time, but Sangare has frankly looked barely 5/10 most games. Expecting some 7/10 performances after 6 months here from a player approaching their peak shouldn't be asking too much for my money.

Part of the premium you pay for players at that age is because you're buying them at their physical peak. So it should be making a difference. I get that it may take his body time to adjust to the Prem, but surely half a season is long enough for that adjustment to start reaping some 7/10 performances?

He's played twelve games. In terms of minutes on the pitch he's had less than 10 games.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

He's played twelve games. In terms of minutes on the pitch he's had less than 10 games.

More time than I thought then. Appreciate the info.

 

[Gyros Peter]

More time than I thought then. Appreciate the info.

A post ago you were talking about half a season to adjust. He's half way to half a season.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

A post ago you were talking about half a season to adjust. He's half way to half a season.

I'm not talking just game time, I'm talking time spent training and adjusting to the culture here.

No-one gets literally half a season of game time to adapt. You think a player is gonna play 19 90-min games here just to get up to speed? Seriously? You think a team can afford to carry that?

Most players will get the 20-30 min here and there, and then the odd 90. Usually in cup games and then building into league games if it allows. 10 games worth of game time seems about right to start expecting something from him for me.

 

[Berkshire Red]

He's played twelve games. In terms of minutes on the pitch he's had less than 10 games.

Don't let facts get in the way of a good slagging off.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Don't let facts get in the way of a good slagging off.

Those facts justify the concerns though.

Seriously, when should a 26 year old hitting his physical and mental footballing peak be expected to start coming good?

It's mid-March, there's only 10 games left.

 

[Redemption]

The formula is 1 season less £1m per game from his price tag = 8 games.

Surely?

 

[rockhopper]

These feel like weak excuses for a 35m player, the "passing outlets" we've used to absolve most players, but Id expect Sangarre to be able to carry the football & cause damage, the reality is he opts to go backwards under absolutely no pressure half the time.

We're destined to f*** central midfield up every season.

Said the other day, it's our biggest issue still. I'm not convinced with any of our midfielders, not one you can say is standout and a nailed on pick every week.
We are crying out for a player who can carry the ball forward, play incisive balls and be able to put a foot on the ball under pressure. (see Ross Barley)

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[Gyros Peter]

I'm not talking just game time, I'm talking time spent training and adjusting to the culture here.

No-one gets literally half a season of game time to adapt. You think a player is gonna play 19 90-min games here just to get up to speed? Seriously? You think a team can afford to carry that?

Most players will get the 20-30 min here and there, and then the odd 90. Usually in cup games and then building into league games if it allows. 10 games worth of game time seems about right to start expecting something from him for me.

Oh I expect something from him. I think at times he's delivered something too - in those 12 games I can think of three where he looked the part (Villa, Newcastle, Palace), one where we were awful and I didn't think he was doing too much, but as my mate probably rightly pointed out where we fell apart when he was subbed. Thought he did OK last week when he came on too.

So that's what, five out of his twelve games in the settling in period. Do I want more? Yes - I want him to look fitter and sharper - I agree with whoever said he needs to up the intensity at this level. If he can do that he'll be a real asset.

 

[Vikare]

It'd be nice to see him run as a starting point.

This.

For all the abuse the Carvalho signing gets, I don't recall ever seeing him play and thinking "he's downed tools."

Carvalho tried his best, always. ( Yes, his best wan't enough most of the time.)

Sangare on the other hand, I'll regularly catch walking.

Sprint mother effer! Show us some work rate.