Otis Redding
Try A Little Tenderness
If selected, his physicality and ability in the air (something he was credited for when he came on in the AFCON final) will be important for us on Saturday.
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Ibrahim Sangaré
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Geoff Thomas
Everyone slagged off Freuler last year, too because everybody expects a foreign big name to do everything.
Problem is, they won't, unless we have a spare 60m and Champions League football.
But what Freuler did, Mangala did, and Sangare looks capable of doing when he's fit, is keep hold of the ball and be available to receive the ball when others are in trouble. We really, really miss that in the side at the moment.
Problem is, they won't, unless we have a spare 60m and Champions League football.
But what Freuler did, Mangala did, and Sangare looks capable of doing when he's fit, is keep hold of the ball and be available to receive the ball when others are in trouble. We really, really miss that in the side at the moment.
Annesleyred
Youth Team
Last chance for him v Luton for me
Otis Redding
Try A Little Tenderness
What will you do if he doesn't meet your expectations then?
Robertson
Geoff Thomas
He’s played 30 minutes for us since Boxing Day. I thought he was ok before that. Gets the benefit of the doubt for me for now.
It seems shit-canning players after five minutes then complaining about squad turnover is all part of the fun though, so have at it if you think it helps.
It seems shit-canning players after five minutes then complaining about squad turnover is all part of the fun though, so have at it if you think it helps.
Captain Sinister
Senior doom Monger
Have a hissy-fit?
Cortez the Killer
Impressive member
eh shag
Youth Team
Freuler was played out of position in a system and playing a style of football that he’s not effective for.
He’s a quality footballer and I actually think he’d be really good with Mangala and sangare in a three under Nuno.
Very much right player but at the wrong time.
Would love nothing more than him starting and running the show on Saturday. Would solve all sorts of problems for us. Remember MGW likening him to prime Yaya Toure in pre season.
The best I think we’ve played was the 60 mins between Dominguez’s dolly pass and Elanga’s shirt coming off at West Ham. We just ran that game in that period, and Sangare was a part of it. But so often you watch him live and he’s yards off the pace and slow to get his legs moving. He just doesn’t seem busy or mobile enough for a prem midfield. It’s hard to see how that gets better - looks like it’s just his style of athleticism.
Not writing him off but my confidence is not high either, and i think it’s a risk throwing him into a crucial position based on reputation when he’s not done enough to earn it.
The best I think we’ve played was the 60 mins between Dominguez’s dolly pass and Elanga’s shirt coming off at West Ham. We just ran that game in that period, and Sangare was a part of it. But so often you watch him live and he’s yards off the pace and slow to get his legs moving. He just doesn’t seem busy or mobile enough for a prem midfield. It’s hard to see how that gets better - looks like it’s just his style of athleticism.
Not writing him off but my confidence is not high either, and i think it’s a risk throwing him into a crucial position based on reputation when he’s not done enough to earn it.
Quntib Hollox
Jack Armstrong
His career hasn’t really got started yet. At some point we need to get a settled core of a side without changing umpteen players every game. If we ever get that he should be in the frame but it’s just been stop start since he got here.
Red Ray's Redlist
Viv Anderson
When he's able to string some games together then we can make a proper judgement on him. He was starting to look the part and he got that virus. Looked good against Newcastle and then Afcon. Apparently came back with a slight knock. Regardless of cost who is dominating games in a situation like that.
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
personally, I'm not shit canning him. I am stating that he needs to start showing his worth sharpish though.
We're in a mess, he cost 30m+, he's one of the players we have at the start of their footballing prime, and he's been here over half a season now.
If expecting someone like that to deliver a 7 or 8/10 performance to beat a club like Luton, who are nackard and on a low, is too demanding, then God help us because that's like the bare minimum we need to stay up.
Malwood
Geoff Thomas
If he'd scored that sitter just before half-time against Luton this entire season would be different
Robertson
Geoff Thomas
It’s not unreasonable to expect him to play well on Saturday if selected, no. But equally it’s massively unfair to have him in the last chance saloon. He’s started one match for us since the clusterfuck at Fulham at the start of December, which we won, quite handily.
Monkman
Grenville Morris
Mangala played most weeks last season and only really fulfilled his promise (ie appeared to have adapted) this season.
Berkshire Red
Jack Armstrong
Sangaré won't be given anywhere near that time by many because of his price tag.
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Mangala was only 24 when we signed him. Still developing, not peaking. Nothing to do with the price tag.
Players at 26 should be hitting their peak for the next 2-3 years. Their physical attributes fully developed, their trade learned, and just the cultural and conditioning barrier to get around. Of which 6 months with 10 games worth of game time should be enough to get them up to speed to beat a nackard team like Luton coming off the back of a moral sapping result.
Honestly, some of the standards some of you demanded of Cooper (specifically you @Berkshire Red ) but don't demand of players is bizarre. And then in the next breath you'll say these players...who apparently still need more time to develop at 26...were good enough to be higher than 17th with Cooper....yet we shouldn't expect them to beat a team like Luton under Nuno
Definitely wouldn't have him in the last chance saloon. I doubt we'll get half what we paid for him if we try to move him on any time soon. We're stuck with him for a while, for good or bad, so we need to back him to do well. Starting with Luton hopefully.
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Thomas
AMERICAN IDIOT
This guy is gonna be huge for these next 10 games, trust me, I can feel it. I just drank some blue worm piss and saw the golden path with him and Nico in the middle.
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Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
I'll just throw out there that in the 12 games Sangare has played for us (in a different league etc...) he's played in his natural position maybe three times.
It's funny, I'm reminded of my campaigning for Neco Williams in his thread back when - he's another player who came in for a lot of stick due to fee and had yet to hit the heights.
Honestly, like Williams did, Sangare has frustrated the f*** out of me at times - his languid style and fitness levels (possibly due to illness/injury in fairness) and occasional coughing up of possession haven't helped. But like Williams there's clearly a player in there that can be a real asset when/if he fully adapts. And he will - it's perhaps been a steeper curve than anyone expected.
He's had a faltering start for various reasons, but let's hope he stays fit and provides some value in the coming games... I know Williams was much younger (not 26!) but Sangare can come out of this in similar fashion. He has the attributes.
Anyhow, I'm done for a while in this one - I've said all I have to say for now and really it's over to you Ibrahim...
It's funny, I'm reminded of my campaigning for Neco Williams in his thread back when - he's another player who came in for a lot of stick due to fee and had yet to hit the heights.
Honestly, like Williams did, Sangare has frustrated the f*** out of me at times - his languid style and fitness levels (possibly due to illness/injury in fairness) and occasional coughing up of possession haven't helped. But like Williams there's clearly a player in there that can be a real asset when/if he fully adapts. And he will - it's perhaps been a steeper curve than anyone expected.
He's had a faltering start for various reasons, but let's hope he stays fit and provides some value in the coming games... I know Williams was much younger (not 26!) but Sangare can come out of this in similar fashion. He has the attributes.
Anyhow, I'm done for a while in this one - I've said all I have to say for now and really it's over to you Ibrahim...
Monkman
Grenville Morris
Sangare was 25 when we signed him. Turned 26 in December. But yeah, put him in an entirely different category from 24-year-old Mangala. Honestly the amount of reaching you do to defend an argument Alf, your arms must be ten foot long
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Mangala had played for three seasons in the Bundesliga, an intense level of football.Sangare was 25 when we signed him. But yeah, put him in an entirely different category from 24-year-old Mangala. Honestly the amount of reaching you do to defend an argument Alf, your arms must be ten foot long
Sangaré played in the Eredivise, a more technical league, but nowhere near the intensity of the Premier League or the Bundesliga. I think the pace of the English game has caught him out a bit, which is why when he has been played by Forest, it is mostly in a role playing further forward than he did for PSV (and internationally) because it seemed when he was given the holding role, the game passed him by a bit.
Way to early to call him a complete bust, of course; but it is not unfair to say for 37m you would have expected him to be making a bigger impact than he has. Maybe he needs a run of games to establish himself, but unfortunately Forest don‘t have the luxury of letting him get up to speed, as the Reds face basically ten Cup-Finals to secure a Premier League place for next season, and simply cannot afford to carry passengers.
Monkman
Grenville Morris
Fully agree, which is why it's only fair to allow Sangare the same amount of time to adjust that we granted Mangala - ie a full season, not 12 games. Even if he was a year older on the day he signed or has different colour hair or something.
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
Breaking my promise of no more posts to add that hair wise I wish he didn't have that highlighted streak - that and his height/languid style give me poundshop Pogba vibes. I'll go now...
„Pound Shop Pogba!“
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
I've been holding back on that for months.„Pound Shop Pogba!“