MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
He needs to be our best holding midfielder at least.
For £32m I'd want a top half CM. Rice, Caicedo and Lavea went to clubs which should all be top six.
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Ibrahim Sangaré
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He needs to be our best holding midfielder at least.
For £32m I'd want a top half CM. Rice, Caicedo and Lavea went to clubs which should all be top six.
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
Bit harsh - it's not like he's been shit all the time for us, more that he hasn't quite been the player we were expecting, albeit in a role he probably wasn't either for the majority of his games.Just watching a few bits for Ivory Coast now, and selling Mangala now feels like a worse move with every kick Sangare takes.
There's a bit of play where the keeper rolls the ball to him on just outside the D, there's no-one around him for miles, his first touch plays the ball too far in front of him and he loses it straight away as he struggles to keep up. Not even League 2 stuff.
Even if this kid does come good, it'll be a miracle if he does it this season. We're expecting a lot of Nuno to turn him round.
Also, hilarious to suggest Danilo playing alongside this kid would benefit his development. He literally doing stuff which gets you mullard in the Prem. Unless Danilo is meant to be playing alongside him with the instruction "watch him and learn what NOT to do"
There have been positive signs, though it's been a step back for every one forward.
Monkman
Grenville Morris
Yeah - not sure which side you're coming down on with that comment, but if Sangare continues to sharpen up his PL game then that feels about right?
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
His inconsistency is as big a problem as anything. We've already got players like Danilo & Murillo in the side who are good but inconsistent, and Sangare hasn't offered as much as either of those yet.
It's a very dangerous trap to fall into believing that the odd flash of quality makes a great player, see Joao Carvalho, and that a team can have many of those types of player in it.
If we're carrying players like Danilo, who are inconsistent but one of the few players we have which has goals in him, we need more consistent players alongside him. Some of the stuff Sangare is doing in these Ivory Coast highlights is genuinely L2 stuff. It's hard not to be harsh about it.
Rockabilly
GAFF LAD. "Open your knees and feel the breeze"
Indeed he did, and he took a bit of a hammering on this forum too.
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
You're entitled to your opinion, I don't see it quite the same in that I don't think he's as far off as you, and that he probably hasn't been helped (as intended) by being played out of position.
I'm certainly not suggesting he's a great player, but I'm in the get him fitter, into the CDM role and hope for an improvement camp.
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Are you saying this having watched the Ivory Coast highlights?
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
I'm not really interested what he's doing for anyone other than us. My old man said he was pretty dire on there first game mind.
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Your old man is right.
Like I said, Nuno may well improve him, but he looks really poor at the mo.
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
He looked pretty under Nuno v Newcastle, so I'm hoping he can build on that for us.
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Again, it's his consistency what bothers me. The odd good performance is no more than Carvalho gave us. But yeah, hopefully he can build on that and doesn't prove to be another expensive flop.
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
I understand, though I cut him a little more slack there due to Newcastle being one of the few (only?) times he's been played in his actual position.
Stocky Red
First Team Squad
I'm happy with his progress to date.
He's clearly best suited to a '6' role sitting in front of the defence, as he played for PSV (the games I watched at least). Not sure why we were persisting as an 8 earlier in the season. I watched John McGovern for years and years, just sitting there, intercepting, blocking, winning the ball, recycling.
Not sure what people were expecting, he's not gong to be Lampard box to box, scoring 10+ goals a season. That said, 2 passes to MGW at West Ham and Newcastle, both assists for assists (which Mangala hasn't done for instance - although I do like Mangala)
Need to give him time
He's clearly best suited to a '6' role sitting in front of the defence, as he played for PSV (the games I watched at least). Not sure why we were persisting as an 8 earlier in the season. I watched John McGovern for years and years, just sitting there, intercepting, blocking, winning the ball, recycling.
Not sure what people were expecting, he's not gong to be Lampard box to box, scoring 10+ goals a season. That said, 2 passes to MGW at West Ham and Newcastle, both assists for assists (which Mangala hasn't done for instance - although I do like Mangala)
Need to give him time
IdiotTricky
First Team Squad
I know lots of folks disparage metrics, but that's the way the game is headed in terms of recruitment. A lot of journo's and stats nerds have been championing Sangare for a long time. Personally, I think he'll come good and double his value while he's with us. Unless the unthinkable happens and we get relegated, in which case we'll be losing a lot of players for not very much.
Iirc, Dominguez has a very similar profile to Sangare, when playing in a deeper role, but he's taken to the PL like a duck to water, mostly. I have faith Ibrahim will do the same, eventually.
Iirc, Dominguez has a very similar profile to Sangare, when playing in a deeper role, but he's taken to the PL like a duck to water, mostly. I have faith Ibrahim will do the same, eventually.
IdiotTricky
First Team Squad
I recall something from the club suggesting that was the role he was bought for, but playing him as an 8 to adjust to the league. Sorry, can't remember the source: might've been Tails.
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
Can't remember who but remember that article - it was due to mistakes being less costly higher up the pitch.
Stocky Red
First Team Squad
I honestly can't remember a goal down to him. The Fulham one were he lost the ball in the final third was 100% on Filipe for diving in (and SC for playing him ahead of Moussa IMO). The Liverpool one were he didn't track the Hungarian chap, maybe but Turner was also to blame. Can;t think of any other
IdiotTricky
First Team Squad
I thought he was partly to blame for that one Nico "gave away," but maybe I was being harsh. I'll have to watch it again.
Stocky Red
First Team Squad
If that was against Fulham, I have to confess I switched off after the third goal went in
Not really taking any side in it to be honest. Making an observation.
On the face of it he's £5m more than Mangala, but I'm conscious that it's taken most of the imports about 8 months to get to grips with things.
Lee
Lurker of shadows
That's the main issue really, i'm hoping the club takes that into account with future signings. Although if we consistently signed players that hit the ground running.. what would the average fan do if he can't write someone off at the earliest opportunity?
Stocky Red
First Team Squad
Sadly we're not in the market for proven PL players at their prime
I think the worry is that those metrics were created within the Dutch league..
IdiotTricky
First Team Squad
Metrics used in Smarterscout, f ex., are adjusted for each league, so you can see how a player in the Eredivisie compares to players in, for example, the PL. I don't know how many scouting websites do this, but clubs are increasingly using tailored scouting algorithms, and whatnot, and Syrianos has developed his own, afaik. All I can say is that he's been signed on more than a hunch and I think he'll come good in time, just like Awoniyi has.