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Financial Fair Play (FFP)
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Redemption
Chief Eye Roller
Principally, the difference is the duration of offences and the type of infringements.
In Forest's case, it is a single PSR over expenditure/loss breach in one assessment period.
For Man City and Chelsea, there are multiple instances of infringing activities over multiple years, 14 years and 7 years respectively. It is not simply about how much they spent/lost, but how things were paid for and accounted for.
The documentation and legal work to prosecute the cases is therefore more complex and the audit and legal trail more convoluted.
Robertson
Viv Anderson
I accept that this is factually true, but not that it is in any way just.
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
I hate
Lefkasman
Steve Chettle
Thomas
AMERICAN IDIOT
Robertson
Viv Anderson
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Jimmy
First Team Squad
Hopefully I've worked this out correctly.
We sold BJ to Spurs for £47.5 million in the 2023 Summer transfer window. Brentford had made a variety of bids including £30 million, £32.5 million (July 21st) followed by £35 million (July 24th). They also made a late bid of £40 million (August 28th). For us to have had any chance of complying with FFP we'd have had to have sold Brennan by the PSR deadline, which was June 30th, so those Brentford bids were irrelevant to us being in compliance. However, earlier, on June 14th, Brentford offered £25 million. I don't know if accepting that figure then would have kept us the right side of FFP as I can't remember by how much we breached it.
Even so, the difference between Brentford's June offer and what we eventually got for him in September from Spurs is £22.5 million. That's almost double what Brentford offered.
So, to our current situation. We're currently sitting in 18th place. We obviously need to finish 17th (or above) to avoid relegation. If we finish in 17th we'll receive £8.8 million in prize money. We would have to finish in 6th place (worth £33 million) to make up for missing out on the additional £22.5 million that we got from Spurs had we sold BJ to Brentford in June. We were never going to finish in 6th place, even with Johnson.
I think we should be happy to accept the 4 point deduction, knowing that as long as we stay up, we're in a better financial position by selling Brennan when we did.
We sold BJ to Spurs for £47.5 million in the 2023 Summer transfer window. Brentford had made a variety of bids including £30 million, £32.5 million (July 21st) followed by £35 million (July 24th). They also made a late bid of £40 million (August 28th). For us to have had any chance of complying with FFP we'd have had to have sold Brennan by the PSR deadline, which was June 30th, so those Brentford bids were irrelevant to us being in compliance. However, earlier, on June 14th, Brentford offered £25 million. I don't know if accepting that figure then would have kept us the right side of FFP as I can't remember by how much we breached it.
Even so, the difference between Brentford's June offer and what we eventually got for him in September from Spurs is £22.5 million. That's almost double what Brentford offered.
So, to our current situation. We're currently sitting in 18th place. We obviously need to finish 17th (or above) to avoid relegation. If we finish in 17th we'll receive £8.8 million in prize money. We would have to finish in 6th place (worth £33 million) to make up for missing out on the additional £22.5 million that we got from Spurs had we sold BJ to Brentford in June. We were never going to finish in 6th place, even with Johnson.
I think we should be happy to accept the 4 point deduction, knowing that as long as we stay up, we're in a better financial position by selling Brennan when we did.
Jimmy
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Gratis.
Jimmy
First Team Squad
Squirrels.
REDDERS78
Jack Armstrong
I don't think we have stayed up last season so difficult to say.
If you bet on a 3 legged horse but it won the race, would it still have been a good bet?
We are where we are, end of story. Time to get behind the lads and move on.
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EmmersonForest4
Steve Chettle
If it transpires that the Forest board put the points deduction into their equations I would be far less angry with them. However looking at our performances last season and the way we operate in the transfer market how anyone could come to a conlusion that a points deduction wouldnt seriously detriment us I do not know! We are bleeding lucky the 3 promoted teams are unusually turgid this season.
blue_eyes777
Viv Anderson
Except that if we do get relegated due to the deductions - and I am certain that BJ would have helped keep us up - the club's position might be perilous.
We have to stay up or his sale would have been in vain.
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blue_eyes777
Viv Anderson
Precisely so why not apply sanctions to clubs when all charges to all clubs have been investigated?
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REDDERS78
Jack Armstrong
Jeez, this thread is toxic.
Some of you are making Omar look like this bloke
Some of you are making Omar look like this bloke
alabamared
Stuart Pearce
You have to consider also that the player may well have been more ambitious than Brentford (I know I would be).
REDDERS78
Jack Armstrong
Yoooooooouuuuuuuuuu REDS 
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Notcher
Stuart Pearce
I had the misfortune of meeting this prick on a few occasions. When I was younger my ex girlfriend worked at centre parcs and he often came in to put on classes. He's not the guy he portrayed on TV. Completely up his own arse, he thought he was some A-list world megastar and that it gave him the right to treat staff like scumbags. I witnessed it myself, arsehole.
REDDERS78
Jack Armstrong
What about Mr Motivator?
REDDERS78
Jack Armstrong
The funny thing is Notcher, Ive just watched a youtube video of him, lifting cans of baked beans, 3 reps then move on
Todays obesity crisis is not the fault of Coca Cola, its his f***ing fault!
Todays obesity crisis is not the fault of Coca Cola, its his f***ing fault!
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Edwinstowe CP?
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
Yeah that's the one Alf. My ex who lived at Forest Town worked there part time while she was at uni. I saw him a few times (backstage if you like) while we used some day passes that staff got. He was a regular there earning massive coin for it. He wasn't shy about telling folk how wealthy he was either
Lady Penelope
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I think that Marinakis was reasonably sure that we'd be high enough up the table to withstand any points deduction. A gamble that failed and one that must not be repeated.
I question the governance of the club. No recorded minutes of Board meetings? No minutes of the Board meetings of a multi-million pound business employing hundreds of people? I wonder if the records were, in fact, simply withheld? It wouldn't be the first time something like that has happened.
Leaving all of that behind, because it is done and gone, what we can do is get 100% behind the team. Every staff member from catering, medical, coaching, playing and cutting the grass needs to give 101% until the season end. We have nine cup finals and we need one more point than Luton. We are better than them. They have enormous spirit (but it might not last until the season end). So, just believe, make the noise, be positive about everything and we will get through this.
U Reds.
I question the governance of the club. No recorded minutes of Board meetings? No minutes of the Board meetings of a multi-million pound business employing hundreds of people? I wonder if the records were, in fact, simply withheld? It wouldn't be the first time something like that has happened.
Leaving all of that behind, because it is done and gone, what we can do is get 100% behind the team. Every staff member from catering, medical, coaching, playing and cutting the grass needs to give 101% until the season end. We have nine cup finals and we need one more point than Luton. We are better than them. They have enormous spirit (but it might not last until the season end). So, just believe, make the noise, be positive about everything and we will get through this.
U Reds.
After having time to reflect on this the club really is a mess behind the scenes. Do I agree with the rules? No I don't but that doesn't mean we can take the piss and try to get away with it which we tried to do.
I understand EMs frustration at the promotion bonus and COVID allowances and also the pricks at the PL gunning for an 8 points deduction but the BJ sale thing although was in the best interests of the club (financially) the deadline is the deadline..
Not sure I understand wolves fans kicking off. I read the report as us saying it was possible to sell a player to be on the right side of PSR as they did when the PL or IC claimed there wasn't enough time to do so. Sounded like a complement to me.
I'm still a bit miffed we are one of the 1st clubs to get points deductions when previous years other clubs got fines but it's done now. Massive 9 games to go
I understand EMs frustration at the promotion bonus and COVID allowances and also the pricks at the PL gunning for an 8 points deduction but the BJ sale thing although was in the best interests of the club (financially) the deadline is the deadline..
Not sure I understand wolves fans kicking off. I read the report as us saying it was possible to sell a player to be on the right side of PSR as they did when the PL or IC claimed there wasn't enough time to do so. Sounded like a complement to me.
I'm still a bit miffed we are one of the 1st clubs to get points deductions when previous years other clubs got fines but it's done now. Massive 9 games to go