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Financial Fair Play (FFP)
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GreeksBearingGifts
Stuart Pearce
Re: FFP
For the last decade, at least, the big European clubs promote the idea of a closed league, an idea which is used as a diplomatic tool to get more out of Uefa's each successive new decision. It's a chicken game; I don't believe either Uefa or the big clubs are stupid enough to shoot themselves on the leg. Sport in Europe works differently; you need the idea of promotion and demotion in order to engage more people in a meaningful game.
On the other hand, the distance between the top of the pyramid and its mid floors grows so much as time goes by, that the result may be the same even without closed leagues, in national or international competitions. The Champions League is dominated by a small number of clubs. A mid-ranking European club only has any chance of reaching, say, the quarter finals in the Europa League. The CL is for the rich.
For the last decade, at least, the big European clubs promote the idea of a closed league, an idea which is used as a diplomatic tool to get more out of Uefa's each successive new decision. It's a chicken game; I don't believe either Uefa or the big clubs are stupid enough to shoot themselves on the leg. Sport in Europe works differently; you need the idea of promotion and demotion in order to engage more people in a meaningful game.
On the other hand, the distance between the top of the pyramid and its mid floors grows so much as time goes by, that the result may be the same even without closed leagues, in national or international competitions. The Champions League is dominated by a small number of clubs. A mid-ranking European club only has any chance of reaching, say, the quarter finals in the Europa League. The CL is for the rich.
tomasj
Geoff Thomas
Re: FFP
This is a rather apt illustration of how Europe in general is. Growing divides, rich against poor.
This is a rather apt illustration of how Europe in general is. Growing divides, rich against poor.
Ravi
Upper Decker
Re: FFP
All competitions in the top European leagues are dominated by a small amount of clubs. In the English top league we've had only one exception and only two FA Cup exceptions to this rule in the past thirty years. It's even more 'elitist' in most of the other leagues.
I agree about the gulf between the elite clubs and the rest. It's so wide that regardless of any intention or design the structure here is self-organising in to two tiers anyway.
All competitions in the top European leagues are dominated by a small amount of clubs. In the English top league we've had only one exception and only two FA Cup exceptions to this rule in the past thirty years. It's even more 'elitist' in most of the other leagues.
I agree about the gulf between the elite clubs and the rest. It's so wide that regardless of any intention or design the structure here is self-organising in to two tiers anyway.
Otis Redding
Try A Little Tenderness
Re: FFP
A further illustration being self-preservation by the so-called elite as the primary reason behind the creation of the Champions League.
A further illustration being self-preservation by the so-called elite as the primary reason behind the creation of the Champions League.
congo_red_49
Ale Ape
Re: FFP
I believe, within the next five years - the Premier League will institute some sort of play-off system, whereby the top Championship clubs will have to have a play-off game against the bottom placed Premiership sides with the Premiership place going to the winner - wither the prem Club 'saving' themselves or the Champ club 'proving' they belong. I'm not advocating this, just believe it's coming.
I believe, within the next five years - the Premier League will institute some sort of play-off system, whereby the top Championship clubs will have to have a play-off game against the bottom placed Premiership sides with the Premiership place going to the winner - wither the prem Club 'saving' themselves or the Champ club 'proving' they belong. I'm not advocating this, just believe it's coming.
I'm Red Till Dead
Stuart Pearce
Re: FFP
When the second division was added to the League they tried this. See test matches on this page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1892%E2%80%9393_Football_League
Personally I wouldn't object to the third from bottom in the prem playing the third placed team in the Championship for the final Prem place with the top two in the Championship replacing the bottom two prem teams as now.
When the second division was added to the League they tried this. See test matches on this page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1892%E2%80%9393_Football_League
Personally I wouldn't object to the third from bottom in the prem playing the third placed team in the Championship for the final Prem place with the top two in the Championship replacing the bottom two prem teams as now.
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redforest
Geoff Thomas
Re: FFP
Wasn't it similar to this when the play offs were first brought in with the third bottom team joining 3 to 5 in the lower division in a 4 team format as now but it was abandoned very quickly can't remember why
andover red
Geoff Thomas
Re: FFP
It was abandoned because there was terrible crowd trouble and it was deemed to be too sensitive for a club to lose its premier league status through a play off, despite championship play off losers effectively suffering the same fate. It's okay for us but not fair on them. Just one more example of the double standards that league works by.
It was abandoned because there was terrible crowd trouble and it was deemed to be too sensitive for a club to lose its premier league status through a play off, despite championship play off losers effectively suffering the same fate. It's okay for us but not fair on them. Just one more example of the double standards that league works by.
Re: FFP
This is how it works in Germany, in both the 1.Bundesliga and 2.Bundesliga.
This season, third-bottom in the Bundesliga VfL Wolfsburg stayed up by winning their playoff against the third-placed team in the 2.Bundesliga (Eintracht Braunschweig) so that one went with league position.
But in the 2.Bundesliga playoff, 1860 Munich lost 1-3 on aggregate to Jahn Regensburg of the regional Oberliga, who will take their place in the 2.Bundesliga next season.
There's so much riding on the games, they are riveting entertainment, and that's the important thing.
This is how it works in Germany, in both the 1.Bundesliga and 2.Bundesliga.
This season, third-bottom in the Bundesliga VfL Wolfsburg stayed up by winning their playoff against the third-placed team in the 2.Bundesliga (Eintracht Braunschweig) so that one went with league position.
But in the 2.Bundesliga playoff, 1860 Munich lost 1-3 on aggregate to Jahn Regensburg of the regional Oberliga, who will take their place in the 2.Bundesliga next season.
There's so much riding on the games, they are riveting entertainment, and that's the important thing.
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Andy!
Re: FFP
Don't forget the sweaties have a similar set up, they even split their league so you could be in 6th on less points than 7th .
Don't forget the sweaties have a similar set up, they even split their league so you could be in 6th on less points than 7th .
Barry
Where's me hammer?
Re: FFP
Worse than that you could have the most points in the league and finish 7th i do believe.
West Beach Red
Viv Anderson
Re: FFP
I think that's a workable system, the "relegated" team has a last chance to stay up, the 3rd place finisher (no play off winners here) has to prove themselves in one game. It would take away the end of season debacle where you are aiming for the top six and can "adjust" your team strength to suit the play offs. Teams will be fighting till the end for that lucrative 3rd spot.
Can't see it happening though - think of the lost revenue......
I think that's a workable system, the "relegated" team has a last chance to stay up, the 3rd place finisher (no play off winners here) has to prove themselves in one game. It would take away the end of season debacle where you are aiming for the top six and can "adjust" your team strength to suit the play offs. Teams will be fighting till the end for that lucrative 3rd spot.
Can't see it happening though - think of the lost revenue......
siforest65
Jack Burkitt
Re: FFP
and the winner of their league is always a shock with you never able to predict who it will be.
and the winner of their league is always a shock with you never able to predict who it will be.
Barry
Where's me hammer?
Re: FFP
Leave it as is.
The play offs bar this year are about the most exciting thing post xmas once the nostalgia of a new manager has worn off.
Leave it as is.
The play offs bar this year are about the most exciting thing post xmas once the nostalgia of a new manager has worn off.
Ravi
Upper Decker
Re: FFP
Yes, there's no need to change something that works very well already.
Yes, there's no need to change something that works very well already.
Eddie Yates
Steve Chettle
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Steve Chettle
Re: FFP
Judging by our chairman's letter, I reckon if they ever vote on FFP again, there will be at least one club voting against.
Judging by our chairman's letter, I reckon if they ever vote on FFP again, there will be at least one club voting against.
JordanForest
Jack Burkitt
Re: FFP
Quite impressive how much the prem makes tbh
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Jesus. So much free money.
Quite impressive how much the prem makes tbh
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Re: FFP
That's what good marketing gets you.
There is massive interest in television coverage, especially from the Asian market and that brings with it colossal revenue.
No Championship club can compete financially with that sort of money.
That's what good marketing gets you.
There is massive interest in television coverage, especially from the Asian market and that brings with it colossal revenue.
No Championship club can compete financially with that sort of money.
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Andy!
Re: FFP
Considering the premier league would be defunct without the other 72 league and countless non league teams it's quite galling there's such a difference between just the top two leagues.
Considering the premier league would be defunct without the other 72 league and countless non league teams it's quite galling there's such a difference between just the top two leagues.
Barry
Where's me hammer?
Re: FFP
They've had 25 years to f*** it off and aint done it.... infact the only clubs that proposed it was Gartside (rip) at Bolton.... and that was a two tier premier league and was purely because he knew clubs of their ilk (ie wigan, bolton) once they'd dropped out the big league probably wouldn't get there again.
I think they do.
They've had 25 years to f*** it off and aint done it.... infact the only clubs that proposed it was Gartside (rip) at Bolton.... and that was a two tier premier league and was purely because he knew clubs of their ilk (ie wigan, bolton) once they'd dropped out the big league probably wouldn't get there again.
I'm Red Till Dead
Stuart Pearce
Re: FFP
I'm sure that we all know why some form of parachute payment has to be made. Ateam in the prem has to pay high wages and they have to assume that they are going to stay there and offer multi year contracts. If a team is relegated it may not be possible to shed some players immediately/at all so without the parachute payments, a relegated team probably wouldn't have a hope in hell of making FFP
I'm sure that we all know why some form of parachute payment has to be made. Ateam in the prem has to pay high wages and they have to assume that they are going to stay there and offer multi year contracts. If a team is relegated it may not be possible to shed some players immediately/at all so without the parachute payments, a relegated team probably wouldn't have a hope in hell of making FFP