Ethan Shea Horvath

[MASE]

It's strange folk think that, 'cos no keeper is ever set of for timewasting etc. Strange they think that our keeper would be the one to be picked on. Refs give one yellow and then let them get on with it. The only way they get sent of is for twatting someone unnecessarily.

Time wasting, first man in to every disagreement, getting involved with crowds...the word was already out on Samba the wind up merchant. The red card was coming, just made alot easier when his final offence was so blatant.

Needs to stay further under the radar in future.

 

[incident]

It's strange folk think that, 'cos no keeper is ever set of for timewasting etc. Strange they think that our keeper would be the one to be picked on. Refs give one yellow and then let them get on with it. The only way they get sent of is for twatting someone unnecessarily.

To be blunt about it - for a few games leading up to the card, it felt like he was going to twat someone unnecessarily sooner or later. He was losing his cool more and more easily. When it happened, the reaction around me was "oh fucks sake", rather than "I can't believe he did that".

 

[Notcher]

Have we got any of the Gunter money left?

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[TommyT]

Have we got any of the Gunter money left?

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Gave the last of it to the Sadpies to take Arter


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[Fawazzock]

It would be harsh to drop Horvath for the Liverpool game, but there's possibly an argument that Samba's big personality is more suited to the white hot atmosphere of the City Ground on Sunday.

Echo that

 

[Captain Sinister]

It's strange folk think that, 'cos no keeper is ever set of for timewasting etc. Strange they think that our keeper would be the one to be picked on. Refs give one yellow and then let them get on with it. The only way they get sent of is for twatting someone unnecessarily.

Caspar Schmeical (sp?)was yellow-carded twice a few seasons ago.

 

[Statto]

Caspar Schmeical (sp?)was yellow-carded twice a few seasons ago.

That was against us I think. They'd been given a pen (think it might have been his foul) from recollection I think there was no card for the actual foul. But then I think he was arguing with the ref over it which he got booked for, and then carried on by time wasting stopping the pen being taken which he got a 2nd yellow for, he then claimed he missed being shown the 1st yellow or something.

Whilst the 2nd yellow being for time wasting meaning he was effectively sent off for it, I think the initial point meant both yellows were for it, which usually doesn't happen. They usually get the first yellow and then the refs let them carry on as they like for the rest of the match.

Generally speaking there do seem to be unwritten different standards with 2nd yellows, if a player is on a yellow card, they usually get another chance if they commit a foul a player would usually get a 1st yellow for, which I think is a bit silly, if they would be yellow carded for a first offence if they do it on a yellow they should get a 2nd.

Also, Weds makes it twice this season that I've seen outfielders have to finish a match in goal because a sub keeper couldn't be brought on as they had made all their changes, whilst you could argue that in Samba's case, that is tough, with Marshall he clearly played on and probably made it worse where he would usually have come off, we have extra subs for concussion so shouldn't a team be allowed to swap a keeper if the one on the pitch is injured?

 

[congo_red_49]

Also, Weds makes it twice this season that I've seen outfielders have to finish a match in goal because a sub keeper couldn't be brought on as they had made all their changes, whilst you could argue that in Samba's case, that is tough, with Marshall he clearly played on and probably made it worse where he would usually have come off, we have extra subs for concussion so shouldn't a team be allowed to swap a keeper if the one on the pitch is injured?

Whilst there's probably an ethical case for this - I think there's a nice element of jeopardy around Goalkeeping injuries/sendings off after using all your subs - and outfielders in goal can lead to some very entertaining moments. I hate to lose that.

Mind you, I still fondly remember the days when teams only had two subs and neither would be a goalkeeper. (Waits for someone older than me to mention the days of one named sub).

 

[Statto]

Whilst there's probably an ethical case for this - I think there's a nice element of jeopardy around Goalkeeping injuries/sendings off after using all your subs - and outfielders in goal can lead to some very entertaining moments. I hate to lose that.

Mind you, I still fondly remember the days when teams only had two subs and neither would be a goalkeeper. (Waits for someone older than me to mention the days of one named sub).

Well, it should only apply to injuries not sendings off. If a keeper is stupid enough to do something they get sent off for when a sub can't come on (which usually is the case, they make a silly foul or hit someone) then that's their issue.

Outfielders in goal are entertaining in a weird sort of way, like watching someone poke their eyes out or something, a lot of the time they just shit themselves when the ball goes near them and don't have the skill set of a keeper, can't really think of any actual examples where an outfielder has worked in goal (unless they're a Jagielka type and can actually play in goal).

More often than not it ends up ruining the game because a team is able to score goals they wouldn't usually be able to.

 

[congo_red_49]

Outfielders in goal are entertaining in a weird sort of way, like watching someone poke their eyes out or something, a lot of the time they just shit themselves when the ball goes near them and don't have the skill set of a keeper, can't really think of any actual examples where an outfielder has worked in goal (unless they're a Jagielka type and can actually play in goal).

I actually remember when I first moved to Peterborough, there was a striker in their team whose name escapes me now - who owing to circumstances - I think firstly a sending off and then an injury, played bits of a couple of games in goal and made such a solid job of it that there was some suggestion they were considering actually playing him from the start of the game their regular keeper was suspended for - as their backup was a youngster who'd never played a league game. In the end it didn't happen as they got a loan in.

 

[valspoodle]

We sometimes change the keeper for Cup games to give the guy warming the bench a day out. This time we have the guy who normally warms the bench in constant employment and vice versa, so do we switch to Samba or keep Horvath?

I don't know, that's why I'm not the coach.

 

[Statto]

We sometimes change the keeper for Cup games to give the guy warming the bench a day out. This time we have the guy who normally warms the bench in constant employment and vice versa, so do we switch to Samba or keep Horvath?

I don't know, that's why I'm not the coach.

Personally I think Samba is the better keeper though we have less idea what happened behind the scenes or how his state of mind is.

I would probably give Horvath the Liverpool match and then put Samba back in the team after the international break.

 

[Rzar]

We sometimes change the keeper for Cup games to give the guy warming the bench a day out. This time we have the guy who normally warms the bench in constant employment and vice versa, so do we switch to Samba or keep Horvath?

I don't know, that's why I'm not the coach.

Put Samba in for the Liverpool game, it's a chance to prove himself again and keep himself fresh when required.

Then put Horvarth back in for the next league game on the condition it's his shirt to lose.

For me shunning Samba into isolation is the wrong move, he is such a fantastic goalkeeper it would be a complete waste to throw him in the trash heap.

 

[marshal99]

this isn't about shunning Samba into isolation , he's the one who made the dumb decision to hit his opponent and he's paying the price by losing his position. Until as such time Horvath loses his form or get injured , samba will have to wait.

 

[Cortez the Killer]

I think we should let Samba play on Sunday and make him do the wobbly-legs Grobbelaar thing for 90 mins to piss off the Scousers. Only Samba won't accept money to let goals in.

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[Frank Clark’s Tash]

We may well need Samba's better distribution for the next few weeks, given our defence is going to have some very rust elements to it for the foreseeable future.

 

[Dirk Furtull]

I don't get the idea that you swap your goalkeeper depending on what competition you're in. Horvath is doing as well as Samba was so he keeps the gloves for me. He needs to get to know the players and the manager's way of playing which he's doing now.
I like Samba so have no axe to grind but a consistent approach to team selection is a must.

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[Captain Sinister]

We may well need Samba's better distribution for the next few weeks, given our defence is going to have some very rust elements to it for the foreseeable future.

I do seriously question just how much better Samba’s distribution is.
When he kicks long to either wing the ball often goes out for a throw.
Down the middle, we regularly lose possession.
He is more confident with his feet, I grant you.
Horvath gets rid quickly and tends to go short and wide.
We don’t lose possession like that, and the back 3 and midfielders are confident playing out from the back.
The only issue I can see is Ethan is less confident under intense pressure.

 

[Master Yates]

Horvath didn’t get a chance in the cups when Samba had the shirt so I don’t expect Cooper will play Samba now Horvath is in possession.


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[Jimmy]

Horvath hasn't done anything wrong and deserves to keep his place but one could argue that it's an ideal time to put Samba back - it's not taking the gloves away from Ethan in the league games - and it's an ideal time to see what lessons Samba's learnt from his suspension and being forced to watch Ethan from the bench; and also to see how he copes with the added pressure Liverpool will bring.

 

[Lard]

Had a decent game again, Had the odd panic ball but all in all did his job, Stood up well first half to keep us in the game.
Samba has probably lost his place all season now barring injuries or a few crap games.


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[congo_red_49]

That moment where he calmly snatched that bobbling ball away from the Liverpool player was such quick thinking, that cold have gone the other way and looked like a horrible error if he hadn’t.

 

[RedDogChris]

Has barely put a foot wrong and has grew in confidence game by game, I bet Samba is really regretting his stupidity now

 

[Flaggers]

Some of his 'playing out from the back ' was a bit panic -stricken (a bit like Marcus Smith for England rugby yesterday) but his shot stopping was ace today and that rescue from iirc Jota was top drawer!

USA! USA!

 

[Haych]

Some of his 'playing out from the back ' was a bit panic -stricken (a bit like Marcus Smith for England rugby yesterday) but his shot stopping was ace today and that rescue from iirc Jota was top drawer!

USA! USA!

To be fair it’s very hard to play out from the back when your against a team who presses extremely high up the pitch.

He did well for me, was brave and made some good saves. He’s the number 1 till the summer now.