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Project Zeus

Project Zeus

Steve Chettle
Cloughie1975 said:
I think it’s the likely points deduction that’s making the fans feel very pessimistic,MOM.
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I've said it elsewhere already, but those FFP charges have ruined the season, no matter what happens.

It's impossible to celebrate a win when you expect the points to be taken away again, and every defeat hits twice as bad when you need more points than you normally would.

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ARedChester

First Team Squad
Project Zeus said:
I've said it elsewhere already, but those FFP charges have ruined the season, no matter what happens.

It's impossible to celebrate a win when you expect the points to be taken away again, and every defeat hits twice as bad when you need more points than you normally would.

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I would suggest it is not he FFP that has ruined the season, it is the club's leadership.

They put us in this position - not the PL and I am certainly not defending the PL as they are bent and fckuing rancid to the core.
 
Lincs_Red

Lincs_Red

First Team Squad
Col Steve Austin said:
Jesus Christ. Can everyone pull themselves together?!

Right. Firstly. "We would have won had Cooper been in charge"/"Cooper would keep us up, Nuno is taking us down". I'm sorry to break your rose tinted glasses but Cooper had entered the managerial death spiral and had to go, we'd be in the bottom three with him still in charge:

Cooper's last 7 games, 20th in the form table.
Nuno's first 7 games, 14th in the form table.

Of Nuno's 7 games'

1. Forest 2:3 Bournemouth. Shafted by the ref - the infamous Moussa red card.

2. Newcastle 1:3 Forest

3. Forest 2:1 Manc Utd

4. Brentford 3:2 Forest. The return of Saint Toney The Persecuted.

5. Forest 1:2 Arsenal.

6. Bournemouth 1:1 Forest.

7. Forest 2:3 Newcastle. Shafted by the ref - I don't even know why there's any debate over Taiwo's penalty under the current rules/VAR system, even Shearer said it should have been against his beloved barcodes, and the block on Dominguez. This is also after playing 120 minutes three days ago.

The above is also with Taiwo being out for 5.5 matches, AFCON, and a harder than it should've been cup run.

For the love of god will the bed wetters please go for a walk, have a cup of tea, have a wank or something. We're doing ok. We're visibly a better team now than under Cooper. Everton seem to have shit the bed recently, and Luton have remembered they're not suddenly prime Madrid.

We also have a good run of games from now until the end of the season, we only have to play a "big four" team twice - Liverpool at home on 2 March and City at home on 27 April.

The only other matches that look like pretty certain losses on paper are Villa away on 24 Feb and Spurs away on 6 April. Every single other game looks like an opportunity to pick up points.

So get a grip, people, FFS.
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I needed this, thanks dude


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SandyReid

A. Trialist
Col Steve Austin said:
Jesus Christ. Can everyone pull themselves together?!

Right. Firstly. "We would have won had Cooper been in charge"/"Cooper would keep us up, Nuno is taking us down". I'm sorry to break your rose tinted glasses but Cooper had entered the managerial death spiral and had to go, we'd be in the bottom three with him still in charge:

Cooper's last 7 games, 20th in the form table.
Nuno's first 7 games, 14th in the form table.

Of Nuno's 7 games'

1. Forest 2:3 Bournemouth. Shafted by the ref - the infamous Moussa red card.

2. Newcastle 1:3 Forest

3. Forest 2:1 Manc Utd

4. Brentford 3:2 Forest. The return of Saint Toney The Persecuted.

5. Forest 1:2 Arsenal.

6. Bournemouth 1:1 Forest.

7. Forest 2:3 Newcastle. Shafted by the ref - I don't even know why there's any debate over Taiwo's penalty under the current rules/VAR system, even Shearer said it should have been against his beloved barcodes, and the block on Dominguez. This is also after playing 120 minutes three days ago.

The above is also with Taiwo being out for 5.5 matches, AFCON, and a harder than it should've been cup run.

For the love of god will the bed wetters please go for a walk, have a cup of tea, have a wank or something. We're doing ok. We're visibly a better team now than under Cooper. Everton seem to have shit the bed recently, and Luton have remembered they're not suddenly prime Madrid.

We also have a good run of games from now until the end of the season, we only have to play a "big four" team twice - Liverpool at home on 2 March and City at home on 27 April.

The only other matches that look like pretty certain losses on paper are Villa away on 24 Feb and Spurs away on 6 April. Every single other game looks like an opportunity to pick up points.

So get a grip, people, FFS.
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I think this outlines clearly that perhaps we’re due a touch of in game fortune.

I believe going forward we have such vibrant attacking options (albeit with Taiwo not fully fit) but defensively we are giving out gifts every time and lacking street smarts.

I can only hope in Feb that a more relaxed work load on the players with a week between games for rest and coaching coupled with players back from AFCON will do us a much needed world of good.

Atmosphere was good yesterday - we could do with a song for Nuno Santos though to glue things together.
 
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'mist rollin in'

First Team Squad
Colbackstreet Boys said:
As far I'm concerned we're on 11 points. I simply cannot foresee a scenario where the PL don't deduct points now they've set a precedent with Everton, and their lawyers will be building their case to punish City if/when and using us and the Toffees as the unfortunate whipping boys. It might not be as much as -10, but it could well be. It would be pretty unprecedented for a club with 8 points from safety to survive at this stage of the season.
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I'm also approaching the final part of the season with the mentality that we're likely to get a hefty points deduction. However, I've also deducted some more points off Everton, so we're not cut adrift by the 8 points you suggest.
 
Robertson

Robertson

Geoff Thomas
I find the idea that we’re “running out of time” that I keep hearing a bit weird. We’re in 16th place! Sure we may yet get a points reduction but so should Everton in that case, and we’re still above them.

Last season we went from the beginning of February until 26th of APRIL without winning a game.
 
chaospunx

chaospunx

Geoff Thomas
Right im trying to be positive say we get deducted 6 points I think that's most likely what ppg do we then need I can't see Burnley or sheff u getting to 30 but stranger things have happened but I can see Luton getting to 35/36 so that leaves Everton in reality and lap of the gods territory with will they get any points back and if they get further deductions I can't see anything other than were in trouble will 1.2/1.3 ppg cut it im not sure it will.
Based on 15 points after deductions
1ppg = 29pts
1.5ppg = 36pts
So it's doable but I'm struggling to see it currently let's just beat West ham and hope Mr demarco pulls some rabbit out some hat
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Haych

Haych

John Robertson
glosterred said:
I don’t understand why you site ‘100% confidence Nuno would get us enough points to stay up in a normal year’ as if that is an achievement you would be more than happy with, and yet it wasn’t deemed good enough under that last regime?
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If Nuno keeps us up after coming in mid season to a team with no confidence and a potential points deduction then yes I would be happy and it would be an achievement.

If next season we had spent more money and Nuno had us fannying about in and around the bottom three again then that would be shit, it’s pretty simple.
 
chaospunx

chaospunx

Geoff Thomas
Redemption said:
I just can't see that, would need them to shift from a currently accrued .86ppg to a consistent 1ppg.

It would really need them to not have any bad streaks for remaining 15 games.
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See that's what I need mate and your right they have had a ridiculous good run of games recently so what does there current points per game put them on they have 15 left to our 14
0.86x15 = 12.9
So 33 worst case
Cheers redememtion you have redempeded my mood slightly 🤣🤣
Now let's win some f***ing games
 
Rockabilly

Rockabilly

GAFF LAD. "Open your knees and feel the breeze"
Redemption said:
I'm not in denial about the possibility of relegation but some are catastrophising based on a sustainable Luton revival.

I'd be surprised if Luton don't get another bad streak. That's the nature of this league.

Assuming a 6pt deduction, wed need to generate a form 0.4ppg better than Luton. Which is doable imho.

Everton will probably get a couple of points back but a further reduction, so they'd need to be really on form. And currently, ib think there's a lot of mythologising over them and Dyche. During the Bournemouth game there was a graphic that showed we we worst in the league for set-piece conceding. 11 goals, IIRC, probably more now. Everton were 2nd with 9 goals conceded. That's a different narrative entirely.

That's where I'm drawing my hope from.
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I hope you're right there Red.

Btw Darren fletcher is convinced the Luton bubble will burst.
 
Robertson

Robertson

Geoff Thomas
I reckon that while there is over a third of the season to go, we’re probably at the point where it makes more sense to talk about numbers of wins / draws / losses.

To get to 36 points we’d need 4 wins/ 3 draws/ 7 losses out of 14 games.

Without a points deduction I reckon that would see us stay up. So wrist-slashing after every defeat seems like a waste of energy to me.

With a points deduction things look rather different of course, so we’d need to go on a tear at some point and cut out a good few of those losses. Could be a stretch.

Obviously we should be looking to win every game, and i’m pissed off if we don’t.
 
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glosterred

First Team Squad
Haych said:
If Nuno keeps us up after coming in mid season to a team with no confidence and a potential points deduction then yes I would be happy and it would be an achievement.

If next season we had spent more money and Nuno had us fannying about in and around the bottom three again then that would be shit, it’s pretty simple.
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Fair enough - i read it that you would be confident that ‘in a normal’ season Nuno would keep us up - a pretty low bar to set IMO - particularly if you were not happy with the progression made by the club under the previous manager.
 
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chaospunx

chaospunx

Geoff Thomas
gregor said:
I reckon that while there is over a third of the season to go, we’re probably at the point where it makes more sense to talk about numbers of wins / draws / losses.

To get to 36 points we’d need 4 wins/ 3 draws/ 7 losses out of 14 games.

Without a points deduction I reckon that would see us stay up. So wrist-slashing after every defeat seems like a waste of energy to me.

With a points deduction things look rather different of course, so we’d need to go on a tear at some point and cut out a good few of losses. Could be a stretch.

Obviously we should be looking to win every game, and i’m pissed off if we don’t.
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I dont disagree I think without any ffp looming things are completely different but it is there and after every point dropped the mood changes slightly get a bit further down the line and how many players are in there agents ears saying I don't fancy the championship then there focus shifts slightly from the job in hand its all a knock on effect I am very positive where forest are concerned but this season has me worried currently
 
Bob Fossil

Bob Fossil

Nottingham's dirty secret
Col Steve Austin said:
Jesus Christ. Can everyone pull themselves together?!

Right. Firstly. "We would have won had Cooper been in charge"/"Cooper would keep us up, Nuno is taking us down". I'm sorry to break your rose tinted glasses but Cooper had entered the managerial death spiral and had to go, we'd be in the bottom three with him still in charge:

Cooper's last 7 games, 20th in the form table.
Nuno's first 7 games, 14th in the form table.

Of Nuno's 7 games'

1. Forest 2:3 Bournemouth. Shafted by the ref - the infamous Moussa red card.

2. Newcastle 1:3 Forest

3. Forest 2:1 Manc Utd

4. Brentford 3:2 Forest. The return of Saint Toney The Persecuted.

5. Forest 1:2 Arsenal.

6. Bournemouth 1:1 Forest.

7. Forest 2:3 Newcastle. Shafted by the ref - I don't even know why there's any debate over Taiwo's penalty under the current rules/VAR system, even Shearer said it should have been against his beloved barcodes, and the block on Dominguez. This is also after playing 120 minutes three days ago.

The above is also with Taiwo being out for 5.5 matches, AFCON, and a harder than it should've been cup run.

For the love of god will the bed wetters please go for a walk, have a cup of tea, have a wank or something. We're doing ok. We're visibly a better team now than under Cooper. Everton seem to have shit the bed recently, and Luton have remembered they're not suddenly prime Madrid.

We also have a good run of games from now until the end of the season, we only have to play a "big four" team twice - Liverpool at home on 2 March and City at home on 27 April.

The only other matches that look like pretty certain losses on paper are Villa away on 24 Feb and Spurs away on 6 April. Every single other game looks like an opportunity to pick up points.

So get a grip, people, FFS.
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What a fantastic post.

I could just have hit the like button but it deserves better 👌
 
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tomw94

Geoff Thomas
West Ham - Win
Aston Villa - Lose
Liverpool - Lose
Brighton - Lose
Luton - Draw
Palace - Win
Fulham - Lose
Tottenham - Lose
Wolves - Win
Everton - Draw
Man City - Lose
Sheffield United - Win
Chelsea - Win
Burnley - Draw

I know I’m slightly negative with this collection of results but that puts us on 39 points with squeaky bum time in the last 3 games.
6 point deduction - 33 points
10 point deduction - 29 points

I think to guarantee safety we are going to need a win against 1 of the sides I have us to draw or lose against. That would take us to 41-43 points, which I think would put us safe even with 10 points gone.

20 points from 14 games is the target. Either way it seems last 3 games we will be shitting ourselves.
 
Robertson

Robertson

Geoff Thomas
chaospunx said:
I dont disagree I think without any ffp looming things are completely different but it is there and after every point dropped the mood changes slightly get a bit further down the line and how many players are in there agents ears saying I don't fancy the championship then there focus shifts slightly from the job in hand its all a knock on effect I am very positive where forest are concerned but this season has me worried currently
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I suppose catastrophising and blind optimism are two sides of the same coin. It’ll turn out to be somewhere in the middle as ever.

Edit: though maybe the last two seasons were the blind optimism bit, and we’re due a catastrophe 😬
 
Redemption

Redemption

One less gobshite...
tomw94 said:
West Ham - Win
Aston Villa - Lose
Liverpool - Lose
Brighton - Lose
Luton - Draw
Palace - Win
Fulham - Lose
Tottenham - Lose
Wolves - Win
Everton - Draw
Man City - Lose
Sheffield United - Win
Chelsea - Win
Burnley - Draw
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Draw or better possible
Winnable, imho

there's the basis for converting to something more positive
 
valspoodle

valspoodle

Steve Chettle
Looking purely at games left and points required, we have to win half the games to give a good chance of safety if we take into account the FFP debacle. That is not going to happen.

But the display yesterday was, I reckon, not as bad as most seem to think. Newvastle are striving for Europe and they are seventh in the League, though miles behind the top five. So to run them close and even, with a bit of refereeing luck, beat them was not too bad IMO.

So there is plenty to fight for in the last few games
 
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'mist rollin in'

First Team Squad
Col Steve Austin said:
Jesus Christ. Can everyone pull themselves together?!

Right. Firstly. "We would have won had Cooper been in charge"/"Cooper would keep us up, Nuno is taking us down". I'm sorry to break your rose tinted glasses but Cooper had entered the managerial death spiral and had to go, we'd be in the bottom three with him still in charge:

Cooper's last 7 games, 20th in the form table.
Nuno's first 7 games, 14th in the form table.

Of Nuno's 7 games'

1. Forest 2:3 Bournemouth. Shafted by the ref - the infamous Moussa red card.

2. Newcastle 1:3 Forest

3. Forest 2:1 Manc Utd

4. Brentford 3:2 Forest. The return of Saint Toney The Persecuted.

5. Forest 1:2 Arsenal.

6. Bournemouth 1:1 Forest.

7. Forest 2:3 Newcastle. Shafted by the ref - I don't even know why there's any debate over Taiwo's penalty under the current rules/VAR system, even Shearer said it should have been against his beloved barcodes, and the block on Dominguez. This is also after playing 120 minutes three days ago.

The above is also with Taiwo being out for 5.5 matches, AFCON, and a harder than it should've been cup run.

For the love of god will the bed wetters please go for a walk, have a cup of tea, have a wank or something. We're doing ok. We're visibly a better team now than under Cooper. Everton seem to have shit the bed recently, and Luton have remembered they're not suddenly prime Madrid.

We also have a good run of games from now until the end of the season, we only have to play a "big four" team twice - Liverpool at home on 2 March and City at home on 27 April.

The only other matches that look like pretty certain losses on paper are Villa away on 24 Feb and Spurs away on 6 April. Every single other game looks like an opportunity to pick up points.

So get a grip, people, FFS.
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I agree with you that there are reasons to be positive and it was clear that we had come to the end of the road with Cooper. My concern is that our current form is a point per game and we've taken over 7 hours to get past a Championship and League One side in the cup. I believe Nuno is the man to get us out of this rut, but I don't think its being to negative to say that he's not had a very good 2024. Looking at the next 4 fixtures, I really feel that we need to get something from the West Ham game.

The reason for some of the negativity atm also stems from the FFP charge hanging over us; we don't know if this is going to be a fine or points. I've got into the mindset that it will be points and even if it was only 6 points, that puts us in a very precarious position.
 
eyupmeduck

eyupmeduck

Geoff Thomas
In all honesty feel a bit kind of flat right now but.......

I think Sheffield United and Burnley are not good enough to stay in the division. So its us, Luton or Everton that will go.

Luton lost at home comfortably to the worst team in the division. They have Man U, Liverpool and Villa next, then 3 games that they could expect something from but also get nothing from, then they have 4 games where 3 of them are against City Arsenal and Spurs. They then have other matches that they could get something from including Everton which will do us a favour either way. They play us and I include that as a game they could pick up points but the same is true the other way but overall probably 6/7 games that they reasonably could get points include us and Everton.

Everton lost again but I do think that they have at least 8 out of their remaining games where they could pick up something. If Everton get punished it should be the same as us. I also include their match with us as one they could pick up points as well as Luton so the reverse could equally be true. If their appeal succeeds then they will be fine but that should also imply that we will also be in a good position too.

I see us as having 8 games where it would be reasonable to pick up points, 2 of those are our relegation rivals so if we did the effect would be exacerbated due to them losing points where they could reasonably expect to win them.

At present we have to finish ahead of two teams that we are marginally ahead of already. We've got 3 players coming back that will make a difference to us quality wise. Its doable.

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