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Ethan Shea Horvath

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cms186

Grenville Morris
ubik said:
Radio view: Horvath worrying with a couple of decisions, distribution potentially costly.

But I'll have to wait for match replay before I can judge it myself.

Can't fault him for a clean sheet and a couple of saves. 1 goal conceded in 4 games is pretty decent.

Still might restore Samba v Liverpool.
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2 in 5 if you include the cup, still pretty good, don't think he did too much wrong for the goals he conceded either.

I was slightly surprised to see him start, I don't know if Coops is just sending a message to Brice or if he really thinks that we should keep rolling with Horvath, His distribution did look a little shaky still at times, hard to tell from a single viewing if that was just lack of conviction or he was put in a bad situation by a bad pass from a teammate, I would prefer Brice to be there as I think he is the better GK, but Horvath has done himself no damage with his recent performances and having 2 quality keepers is better than just the one
 
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gamble

Stuart Pearce
Listen 'ere young man said:
Just a cock up or one that proves costly. That is the concern.

The season is getting to the knife edge stage and a single mistake could result in missing out on a play off spot.

He did save from point blank range today which was crucial in keeping 1-0 lead till half time when Forest weren't playing well.
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Like punching a player, for me he's done nothing wrong to warrant be dropped.

I think people are overly critical of his distribution, Sambas is better but it's far from perfect.

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Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
Until he starts conceding goals you almost can't take him out now.

But I would still be trying to ease Samba back in, starting with the Liverpool game

But EH has done everyting asked of him
 
Mr. Blonde

Mr. Blonde

Jack Burkitt
Personally I would've brought Samba back in for today's game, but given that he wasn't you have to say it's Horvath's shirt to lose now. He's been extremely solid.
 
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garibaldi

Jack Armstrong
He struggles to kick a ball, which will always be a massive issue at this level. Quality shot stopper though with a couple of big saves today.
 
Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
gamble said:
Like punching a player, for me he's done nothing wrong to warrant be dropped.

I think people are overly critical of his distribution, Sambas is better but it's far from perfect.

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Horvath knows he is weak with his feet and as a result he looks for the quick release to a player close to him.
That in itself is only a problem when the outfield players don't have the confidence to ping smart, quick passes around.
I would argue that while Samba has the better feet, he takes too long, and when he kicks long we dont always win posession.
While we are playing so well the weakness with kicking isn't going to hurt us, but agaisnt teams with an effective high press it may be Horvath's iundoing.
I'd keep him in the side until he has a real melt down.
And I would like to think the players all see playing against Liverpool in the 6th Round to be something they want to do.
If Ethan continues to keep the goals out it would be a moral crime to "rest" him for that prestigious match.
 
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gamble

Stuart Pearce
Captain Sinister said:
Horvath knows he is weak with his feet and as a result he looks for the quick release to a player close to him.
That in itself is only a problem when the outfield players don't have the confidence to ping smart, quick passes around.
I would argue that while Samba has the better feet, he takes too long, and when he kicks long we dont always win posession.
While we are playing so well the weakness with kicking isn't going to hurt us, but agaisnt teams with an effective high press it may be Horvath's iundoing.
I'd keep him in the side until he has a real melt down.
And I would like to think the players all see playing against Liverpool in the 6th Round to be something they want to do.
If Ethan continues to keep the goals out it would be a moral crime to "rest" him for that prestigious match.
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I'd say that's a fair assessment.

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Harry1982

Grenville Morris
garibaldi said:
He struggles to kick a ball, which will always be a massive issue at this level. Quality shot stopper though with a couple of big saves today.
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Was it the hashed clearance, and the fingertip save for a shop that was atleast a foot wide..against top side these error will cost us
 
ubik

ubik

Geoff Thomas
Captain Sinister said:
Horvath knows he is weak with his feet and as a result he looks for the quick release to a player close to him.
That in itself is only a problem when the outfield players don't have the confidence to ping smart, quick passes around.
I would argue that while Samba has the better feet, he takes too long, and when he kicks long we dont always win posession.
While we are playing so well the weakness with kicking isn't going to hurt us, but agaisnt teams with an effective high press it may be Horvath's iundoing.
I'd keep him in the side until he has a real melt down.
And I would like to think the players all see playing against Liverpool in the 6th Round to be something they want to do.
If Ethan continues to keep the goals out it would be a moral crime to "rest" him for that prestigious match.
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Real problem for SC.

Just listening on the radio, Horvath's distribution was a horrible downside to his game. Maybe only a couple of times, but enough to cost against Liverpool.

On the other hand, another clean sheet. Toss a coin - Samba might be inspirational, but Horvath looks steady.
 
Omar Devone Little

Omar Devone Little

Mr Realistic
Can't fault Horvath really. Samba is paying the price for his moment of stupidity and deserves to sit out until he earns the right to come back in.

Good management by Cooper, simply bringing Samba back in would send the wrong message to the squad.
 
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Larry Lansbury

Viv Anderson
It’s a conundrum-but 2 good keepers with different strengths. Pros and cons for both of them. Samba can ping some brilliant balls which starts attacks but he can also play us into trouble a little like Horvarth did yesterday. Horvarth has the gloves currently so I think should keep his place.
 
valspoodle

valspoodle

Steve Chettle
Strange. Cooper picks a favourite and he's praised for it. When he doesn't pick a favourite, he's making a big mistake.

I think he picks the guy who's going to do the job for him.

Horvath took his chance.
 
Dan_Bristol

Dan_Bristol

Grenville Morris
Cooper said the mantra was 'next man up' I don't think he will change keeper until there is a shocker moment, or several bad passes which leads to chances created for opp.
 
ubik

ubik

Geoff Thomas
Ace management would be to bring Samba back v Liverpool as 2nd keeper needing to prove himself.
 
donny

donny

Grenville Morris
Yeezy said:
Can't fault Horvath really. Samba is paying the price for his moment of stupidity and deserves to sit out until he earns the right to come back in.

Good management by Cooper, simply bringing Samba back in would send the wrong message to the squad.
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Stands with something I heard yesterday on the way back to the car.
Guy walking behind me said that he is a friend of Samba, and that Cooper didn't speak to him for a couple of days after the sending off, then told him that he was going to have to work to get the starting spot back.

As others have said, Horvath has his weaknesses, but, I think his reactions and shot stopping ability is better than Brice. As for the distribution, I think this is something that only match time can solve. Its all well and good trying to work on the speed of playing out in training, but, it doesn't give the jeopardy situations that being closed down by opposing players brings. Since Horvath has come in, its been easy to see the improvements in that area of his game, and the more his defence get used to the way he plays, that will bring its own improvements.
In a daft way, a goalkeeper change isn't as drastic as losing a defender or midfielder, especially when we've been pretty consistent.
 
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Timothy Pope

I know that Nuno that I know that Nuno that I know
Cook being injured might actually have an impact on Horvath’s confidence. SC is such a calming influence. I dread seeing him replaced by Figgy and the nervousness that will cause


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Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
Timothy Pope said:
Cook being injured might actually have an impact on Horvath’s confidence. SC is such a calming influence. I dread seeing him replaced by Figgy and the nervousness that will cause


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I think , having given this one a lot of thought, that I would rather see Samba play.
Liverpool will play a high and aggressive press.
There will be very little time given to our goalie, and Liverpool strikers are of a different class to any in the Championship.
I doubt Ethan would be able to use his quick short throw outs or quick short passes, and if he has to rush, he might panic.
Horvath could be destroyed by that if he makes a hash of a clearance early on.
Samba has the strength of character to deal with that sort of pressure.
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
donny said:
Stands with something I heard yesterday on the way back to the car.
Guy walking behind me said that he is a friend of Samba, and that Cooper didn't speak to him for a couple of days after the sending off, then told him that he was going to have to work to get the starting spot back.

As others have said, Horvath has his weaknesses, but, I think his reactions and shot stopping ability is better than Brice. As for the distribution, I think this is something that only match time can solve. Its all well and good trying to work on the speed of playing out in training, but, it doesn't give the jeopardy situations that being closed down by opposing players brings. Since Horvath has come in, its been easy to see the improvements in that area of his game, and the more his defence get used to the way he plays, that will bring its own improvements.
In a daft way, a goalkeeper change isn't as drastic as losing a defender or midfielder, especially when we've been pretty consistent.
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All perfectly sensible for me.

The sending off was utterly needless, preventable, and at a time when we couldn't bring on a sub keeper and could have cost us, indeed, if we'd kept 11 men we might have won.

It would send out the wrong message from Cooper if he allowed Samba to walk straight into the team after the sending off. Personally I think that if a player gets sent off for something silly and preventable like that, they should be fined for the duration of their ban, and not count as a member of the first team group for that period either.

However, I do think he is a far better overall keeper than Horvath, who is still an improvement on our previous reserve keeper, and that maybe after the Liverpool match (which gives basically Horvath a bye) we should be having Samba back in the team.
 
Lard

Lard

Banned
He has let in 2 goals in 5 matches with 3 clean sheets and we haven't lost during those 5 matches, He thoroughly deserves to keep the shirt, Regardless of his kicking and distribution he primarily role is to keep the ball out of the net, Anything else is a bonus.
Alot of folk on here would have dropped him straight away when Samba was available, Thank God Cooper shares my same views.


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GOBIAS

GOBIAS

Ian Bowyer
Yeezy said:
Can't fault Horvath really. Samba is paying the price for his moment of stupidity and deserves to sit out until he earns the right to come back in.

Good management by Cooper, simply bringing Samba back in would send the wrong message to the squad.
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I reckon Steve might have to resort to this to get hovarth out the team:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ACb2CRmXmFk

‘Ethan, did you leave this dirty coffee cup here? Right you are out the team’.
 
Thomas

Thomas

Martel Maxwell Enjoyer
I think this is actually an extremely pivotal moment in his career. He's likely to start for the national team ahead of City's Steffen(lack of minutes for the 1st team) and Matt Turner from the MLS(by default isn't better because MLS) against Mexico in a couple of weeks.

If he keeps this up, I HONESTLY think he permanently usurps the spot over Brice.
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
Dogtits said:
I think this is actually an extremely pivotal moment in his career. He's likely to start for the national team ahead of City's Steffen(lack of minutes for the 1st team) and Matt Turner from the MLS(by default isn't better because MLS) against Mexico in a couple of weeks.

If he keeps this up, I HONESTLY think he permanently usurps the spot over Brice.
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Thing is, it's international level. It's not really good to have international players who aren't getting the mins at club level, Especially keepers who need to be playing.

I guess this is probably one reason why Ethan hasn't been getting in the team, because he's not playing at club level, and didn't much before we got him either.

Steffen is probably better, but he's not going to get in ahead of Bravo much, unless he gets injured, and all of the other keepers they've called up recently are MLS, apart from one who I've never heard of who's apparently at Leicester, and none of whom I've really heard of apart from Guzan.

It really does seem odd that a while back the US had plenty of good keepers - Meola, Keller, Friedel, Howard, Guzan himself, Hahnemann, and mostly they were all regulars at clubs doing well (though there was a spell Howard didn't play for Man U and Friedel was backup at Liverpool for a while), and mostly in England.

He isn't as good a keeper as Brice though so really it does seem to be a matter of when not if he gets replaced, which is probably when his kicking costs us.

Someone compared him to Friedel the other week in terms of his strengths but Friedel was a top PL keeper and though the sweeper keeper has come on a bit since he retired I don't recall him not being able to kick a ball well like Ethan...
 
Thomas

Thomas

Martel Maxwell Enjoyer
Statto said:
Thing is, it's international level. It's not really good to have international players who aren't getting the mins at club level, Especially keepers who need to be playing.

I guess this is probably one reason why Ethan hasn't been getting in the team, because he's not playing at club level, and didn't much before we got him either.

Steffen is probably better, but he's not going to get in ahead of Bravo much, unless he gets injured, and all of the other keepers they've called up recently are MLS, apart from one who I've never heard of who's apparently at Leicester, and none of whom I've really heard of apart from Guzan.

It really does seem odd that a while back the US had plenty of good keepers - Meola, Keller, Friedel, Howard, Guzan himself, Hahnemann, and mostly they were all regulars at clubs doing well (though there was a spell Howard didn't play for Man U and Friedel was backup at Liverpool for a while), and mostly in England.

He isn't as good a keeper as Brice though so really it does seem to be a matter of when not if he gets replaced, which is probably when his kicking costs us.

Someone compared him to Friedel the other week in terms of his strengths but Friedel was a top PL keeper and though the sweeper keeper has come on a bit since he retired I don't recall him not being able to kick a ball well like Ethan...
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You’re right about our keeper situation, we don’t have much in terms of deep quality like we used to have from the list you pointed out. I mean prime Howard backed up by prime Guzan? Unfair. We have European level quality across the park in our first team but for some reason none are outstanding keepers, it remains to be seen how good Steffen actually is.

Matt Turner is probably the standout home soil American product and even then that’s not saying much because of the quality of MLS. Ethan has been consistently 3rd to 5th in the depth chart but now I see him as the main choice. Hard for the USMNT to ignore him now.

I need someone who’s bored to clip every single time Horvath was on the ball and his subsequent pass, I swear on my hairline that it’s NOT AS BAD as many are saying on here. I swear it’s not.

And regarding him not being better than Samba: I think the gap close, these past games have made me feel more confident in times during the game where the ball is thrown into the box, Horvath seems to be a bigger presence. He’s handled pressure well I thought.

While yes I do believe it’s Samba back in as soon as something bad happens regarding Horvath BUT if he last to the end of the season, it’s hard to ignore the possibility that it’s his position now.

Basically I believe it’s his position to lose. Keep it up, and we’ve got two top quality keepers for this division.

He can honestly shit a brick on Wednesday and I’ll be laughed at, but I do believe he understands that this is his moment to shine and we’re seeing it happen with the performances at hand.
 
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