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Jack Burkitt
It's a buyers market somebody may bid 7 we might be able to squeeze another couple of hundred thousand out of them but I think that's the maximum you are going to get in these times.ie
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Summer 2021 transfer window
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It's a buyers market somebody may bid 7 we might be able to squeeze another couple of hundred thousand out of them but I think that's the maximum you are going to get in these times.ie
Otis Redding
Try A Little Tenderness
I agree. Those who think Joe will attract 8-figure bids, let alone anything approaching £15m, are out-of-touch with reality.
Timothy Pope
I know that Nuno that I know that Nuno that I know
Trouble we’ll have now with Brexit limiting access to non British players - is that although this will push the price of British players up, only those clubs with Premier League cash will be able to afford them and they will more than likely hoover the good ones up to make money from loaning them out.
The only way we will get any decent players without the expense will be getting the academy upgraded Cat1 to compete with our peers.
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The only way we will get any decent players without the expense will be getting the academy upgraded Cat1 to compete with our peers.
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Otis Redding
Try A Little Tenderness
Indeed so TP. Getting the football and technical side of things in place to help achieve that is evidently one of Gary Brazil's priorities as part of his all-encompassing role.
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
I think 8 figures for Worrall is do-able.
The reality is the Premier League clubs are largely unaffected by COVID as they derive the vast majority of their revenue from TV, not fans in the ground. They can still afford to pay out eye watering sums, which is why we got £15m for Cash in August, 6 months into the pandemic and 5 months after the last fans went into grounds.
But Championship and down, any club without parachute payments will be scrambling to offload players and will do limited inward business, Forest included.
The reality is the Premier League clubs are largely unaffected by COVID as they derive the vast majority of their revenue from TV, not fans in the ground. They can still afford to pay out eye watering sums, which is why we got £15m for Cash in August, 6 months into the pandemic and 5 months after the last fans went into grounds.
But Championship and down, any club without parachute payments will be scrambling to offload players and will do limited inward business, Forest included.
Timothy Pope
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Agreed. It’s the clubs that don’t desperately need the money that can afford to hold out for top dollar for their stars. Hopefully Forest are in that group.
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Green Jumper
"Nottingham Forest Are Premier League"
I'm assuming a ball-park operating loss of around of around £50m this season. This is simply based on relatively flat expenditure and drastically reduced turnover. We won't discover the reality of things until March 2022 now, but the club's behaviour in the summer will be instructive.
From that £50m starting figure, we book the full Matty Cash transfer fee (approx. £14m) to get us to £36m. We then take the full £8m EFL interest free 3-year loan to get us to £28m (this will improve the short-term operating situation, but remains an outstanding liability).
An assumption is then made that Marinakis can take a further £10m hit to write off debt or convert debt to equity, taking us down to around a £18m end of year loss. This situation would be just about acceptable for the 20/21 accounts, but would leave zero cash available for acquisitions. Depending on the scope of recruitment required, the only remaining solution is to then sell players to raise funds.
Worrall is the obvious sale in these circumstances and even in the current climate, I think he would still command a fee of around £12m from a mid-ranking PL club. It would be gutting to see him go, but he may well see it as necessary in order to advance his own career, in much the same way so many others have. Samba would also likely attract bids, but I doubt we'd realise much beyond £4m at present.
There might also be interest in Mighten, Johnson and possibly Yates (maybe £2m each on a good day). Looking to recoup our money on Mbe Soh may also be a possibility.
Thankfully, LTLF is a lot more rational than other forums, but some of these players are likely to depart and any fans expecting CH to be given a large transfer budget to bring in half a dozen shiny new signings this summer are just begging to be disappointed.
From that £50m starting figure, we book the full Matty Cash transfer fee (approx. £14m) to get us to £36m. We then take the full £8m EFL interest free 3-year loan to get us to £28m (this will improve the short-term operating situation, but remains an outstanding liability).
An assumption is then made that Marinakis can take a further £10m hit to write off debt or convert debt to equity, taking us down to around a £18m end of year loss. This situation would be just about acceptable for the 20/21 accounts, but would leave zero cash available for acquisitions. Depending on the scope of recruitment required, the only remaining solution is to then sell players to raise funds.
Worrall is the obvious sale in these circumstances and even in the current climate, I think he would still command a fee of around £12m from a mid-ranking PL club. It would be gutting to see him go, but he may well see it as necessary in order to advance his own career, in much the same way so many others have. Samba would also likely attract bids, but I doubt we'd realise much beyond £4m at present.
There might also be interest in Mighten, Johnson and possibly Yates (maybe £2m each on a good day). Looking to recoup our money on Mbe Soh may also be a possibility.
Thankfully, LTLF is a lot more rational than other forums, but some of these players are likely to depart and any fans expecting CH to be given a large transfer budget to bring in half a dozen shiny new signings this summer are just begging to be disappointed.
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
Sounds like fag packet maths to me...
Green Jumper
"Nottingham Forest Are Premier League"
100% true, but it doesn't claim to be any thing different and is designed purely to highlight both the likely financial reality facing the club and the reason significant transfer spending won't happen this summer.
It's easy for fans to come up with a wishlist of what we need. The first question always needs to be: how are you going to pay for it?
Cloughie1975
John Robertson
Absolutely Green Jumper.Our owner has already stated he won’t break FFP rules(I actually believe him).
I’m sure some of our supporters have a wish list including Pele,Ronaldo and Eusebio-but the reality is that
given the accounts and COVID we need to cut our cloth accordingly(along with other clubs).
Luckily with CH at the helm we have a man with vast experience and plenty of contacts.
Haych
John Robertson
If we’re planning on selling half the team there was no point in hiring Chris Hughton, a manager who I imagine would only go to a team who is planning on challenging near the top.
If we’re fine with fannying about we might as well if hired someone from the youth team.
If we’re fine with fannying about we might as well if hired someone from the youth team.
So, we need a goalscorer and a striker, a creative midfielder, a back up creative midfielder, two rapid wingers who can beat a man and have a pinpoint cross, a good box to box midfielder who can contribute with goals, a left back, a right back, a back up winger, 4 defensive midfielders, two centre backs, a goalkeeper and a back up goalkeeper.
All of the above must be Premier League Standard to give us the consistency and output we require.
Our budget will be whatever we can get for Worrall, Mighten and Johnson.
If we can keep our defensive solidity and add some creative flair, pace and goals we should find we can start to steamroller teams 1-0.
Should be pretty easy to do all that so best get on it sharpish.
All of the above must be Premier League Standard to give us the consistency and output we require.
Our budget will be whatever we can get for Worrall, Mighten and Johnson.
If we can keep our defensive solidity and add some creative flair, pace and goals we should find we can start to steamroller teams 1-0.
Should be pretty easy to do all that so best get on it sharpish.
Green Jumper
"Nottingham Forest Are Premier League"
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MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
I know you jest but other teams have shown it is possible to bring in quality for relatively limited outlay, and indeed some Forest signings (lets say Samba, McKenna, Cafu, Ameobi etc) show it can be done too.
The critical thing isn't how much we spend but the types of players we bring in. We desperately lack any pace or physicality and it shows. Just getting in some players that offer that give the better teams something to worry about when they play us. As it currently stands they know they can outplay us and that will be enough for them.
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
IMO, Hughton's objectives should be similar to what Warburton's original ones were. Stablize us whilst sorting the squad out wage bill out, & developing youth.
Next year gets us settled, then we push on for promotion in the 2 years after that.
EM needs to recognize that, and not make the same set of impatient mistakes which have seen 3 years thrown away chasing our tails, & bloating the squad.
Next year gets us settled, then we push on for promotion in the 2 years after that.
EM needs to recognize that, and not make the same set of impatient mistakes which have seen 3 years thrown away chasing our tails, & bloating the squad.
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
I really don't think the squad is far off from being potential top six material. We just need to add some pace and physicality, and then give it time to gel.
Squad of:
GK: Samba, Smith, Shelvey
RB: New, Richardson
RCB: Worrall, Mbe Soh
LCB: McKenna, Blackett
LB: Iannou, Ribeiro
CM: Yates, Cafu
CM: Garner, New
RW: New, Lolley
AM: Carvalho :hey:, Johnson
LW: Mighten, Ameobi
ST: New, New
Only need four players I reckon, of which only two or three would go immediately into starting eleven.
Plenty of players out the door needed though. Jenkinson, Bong, Arter, Grabban, Taylor, Bachirou, Figgy...
Squad of:
GK: Samba, Smith, Shelvey
RB: New, Richardson
RCB: Worrall, Mbe Soh
LCB: McKenna, Blackett
LB: Iannou, Ribeiro
CM: Yates, Cafu
CM: Garner, New
RW: New, Lolley
AM: Carvalho :hey:, Johnson
LW: Mighten, Ameobi
ST: New, New
Only need four players I reckon, of which only two or three would go immediately into starting eleven.
Plenty of players out the door needed though. Jenkinson, Bong, Arter, Grabban, Taylor, Bachirou, Figgy...
Master Yates
John Robertson
I think our best chance of being successful next season would be for a good pre-season, get players in tip-top shape, then get something out of the likes of Colback, Lolley and Grabban. Even Arter if he can stay fit.
They’ve all looked unfit, off the pace, out of sorts etc. this year but have all been top Championship players in the very recent past.
I know a lot of fans have written them all off already, but I’m sure Hughton will be trying to get them back up to speed because money will surely be tight.
Even if we get just one of the Lolley or Grabban of early last season back, we’d be miles better off than now.
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They’ve all looked unfit, off the pace, out of sorts etc. this year but have all been top Championship players in the very recent past.
I know a lot of fans have written them all off already, but I’m sure Hughton will be trying to get them back up to speed because money will surely be tight.
Even if we get just one of the Lolley or Grabban of early last season back, we’d be miles better off than now.
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Larry Lansbury
Viv Anderson
What Mit happen is that if we can get more quality in midfield, proper ball players then the likes of colback n arter etc Mit thrive, as have more options on ball, better possession, short passes. Not sure we can rule anyone out for next season, especially cuz Mit be difficult to move players on do hughton may have work with what he has alongside loans.
cheapseats
Grenville Morris
Limited outlay?. McKenna was 3M minimum. Not saying he’s a bad investment but you don’t need too many at that price to be threatening FFP from the position we are starting from now.
GreeksBearingGifts
Stuart Pearce
The ivevitable rumours of the "[insert random name of Oly player unwanted by Oly] to Forest" type have begun, as in every transfer window:
When healthy, he is ligthning fast, combative and has a good cross in him. But his football quality and injury record would make him, at best, a free back-up option. You need better.
At least he seems to have a good character, gets along with everyone, celebrates like a child (he has received two yellow cards for joining players on the pitch for goal celebrations), and never complains for his limited game-time.
When healthy, he is ligthning fast, combative and has a good cross in him. But his football quality and injury record would make him, at best, a free back-up option. You need better.
At least he seems to have a good character, gets along with everyone, celebrates like a child (he has received two yellow cards for joining players on the pitch for goal celebrations), and never complains for his limited game-time.
Otis Redding
Try A Little Tenderness
You make some good points, but Mit?
Ravi
Upper Decker
Hasn’t Johnson mainly being playing as an inside forward for Lincoln?
Ashley
Steve Chettle
I agree that we don't really need that much to improve a lot on this season. Defensively we are solid enough now, and the midfield is pretty decent nowadays since the January additions. Just lacking a bit of quality out wide and upfront really. Get Garner and Krovinovic back next season (if we can), and add 3 or 4 more to that and I think we'll do alright.
Hopefully more of a quality over quantity approach this summer. I don't want another summer where we sign an entire new squad again, its a big part of the reason why we are where we are now.
Cloughie1975
John Robertson
Nailed it Alf.
ShakeyRed
Viv Anderson
Is there any thought that Marinakis might try to exploit the covid effect on clubs and actually "Go for it" this summer?
I would imagine players will be priced lower than pre-pandemic levels, also wage demands along with bonuses may decrease as players and their agents recognise that many teams, I suspect, will be looking to their youth ranks to bolster squads.
Just maybe this situation could give any team willing to gamble, on promotion, the opportunity to with just a little less risk.
I would imagine players will be priced lower than pre-pandemic levels, also wage demands along with bonuses may decrease as players and their agents recognise that many teams, I suspect, will be looking to their youth ranks to bolster squads.
Just maybe this situation could give any team willing to gamble, on promotion, the opportunity to with just a little less risk.