I'd happily give those extra 2 points back if it meant the end of VAR.
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Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.
Fulchester United
I was level with that and thought it was on, but the bloke in front of me thought it was off.
But did you see the VAR image for that? Christ knows how they worked out anything from that
But did you see the VAR image for that? Christ knows how they worked out anything from that
Canadian_red
Grenville Morris
I wouldn't give up any points. If we didn't have VAR and we got relegated because of it you'd be crying foul.
Today was offside, and the leicester and Bournemouth ones weren't. Sam just needed to hold his run today.
Not sure why, but the offside images we see at the CG seem to be a bit shit compared to most. I'm guessing that's a function of the ground.
Today was offside, and the leicester and Bournemouth ones weren't. Sam just needed to hold his run today.
Not sure why, but the offside images we see at the CG seem to be a bit shit compared to most. I'm guessing that's a function of the ground.
Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.
Fulchester United
No I wouldn't.
valspoodle
Steve Chettle
VAR is great if it saves your club, but shitty if you fail by that millimetre of toenail.
I think with the current frame speeds of the TV and the speed of the players, the system is simply too inaccurate to give a definitive result. It just gives an approximate answer allowing for the weaknesses of the equipment used. They portray it as the answer, but obviously it's not.
As with the handball issue, there needs to be a through examination of the methods used and something sensible worked out. What was deemed the answer to our prayers, the technological answer, has thrown up more problems than it solved.
I think with the current frame speeds of the TV and the speed of the players, the system is simply too inaccurate to give a definitive result. It just gives an approximate answer allowing for the weaknesses of the equipment used. They portray it as the answer, but obviously it's not.
As with the handball issue, there needs to be a through examination of the methods used and something sensible worked out. What was deemed the answer to our prayers, the technological answer, has thrown up more problems than it solved.
magicwoand
It tizwas it is
I thought the offside was close, but didn't question it on the night, but having looked again.
How the hell have they come up with the red line? It looks angled away from his knee as it goes down. If you look where his boot is touching the pitch signified by the blue line there is no way his knee is overhanging his boot by the distance between the blue & red line.
Also the the shot they chose to base it on it looks like the ball has left MGW boot.
How the hell have they come up with the red line? It looks angled away from his knee as it goes down. If you look where his boot is touching the pitch signified by the blue line there is no way his knee is overhanging his boot by the distance between the blue & red line.
Also the the shot they chose to base it on it looks like the ball has left MGW boot.
Rzar
Bob McKinlay
We started to discuss it in the other thread, but this is maybe a better place to continue it.
The frame rate of PL cameras is 50 frames per second (mind blowing to anybody that's played a competitive shooter). For those that don't know how important frame rate is when judging where a player is - look at this. (And bare in mind - all of this is taking into account they have the right point when the ball is released in the first place).
These pictures are relevant because the same concept of a player being offside is used - the person passing through a doorway.
THE CAMERAS AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS. Whether it's for or against us, I don't care - these are not the correct decisions.
It's no good journalists, commentators & whoever else telling us it's a factual based decision because it's not. It may be factual based on the monitor they are looking at, but it's not because what they are looking at might not even be correct anyway.
The frame rate of PL cameras is 50 frames per second (mind blowing to anybody that's played a competitive shooter). For those that don't know how important frame rate is when judging where a player is - look at this. (And bare in mind - all of this is taking into account they have the right point when the ball is released in the first place).
These pictures are relevant because the same concept of a player being offside is used - the person passing through a doorway.
THE CAMERAS AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS. Whether it's for or against us, I don't care - these are not the correct decisions.
It's no good journalists, commentators & whoever else telling us it's a factual based decision because it's not. It may be factual based on the monitor they are looking at, but it's not because what they are looking at might not even be correct anyway.
Bonalair
John Robertson
I thought the offside was close, but didn't question it on the night, but having looked again.
How the hell have they come up with the red line? It looks angled away from his knee as it goes down. If you look where his boot is touching the pitch signified by the blue line there is no way his knee is overhanging his boot by the distance between the blue & red line.
Also the the shot they chose to base it on it looks like the ball has left MGW boot.
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The red line is also draw from the outermost part of Sam’s knee, whereas the blue line goes through his elbow, moving it marginally back.
Masuka
Jack Burkitt
If they have to start drawing lines and over analysing the decision then they should go with the linesman’s decision. If it’s an obvious mistake then VAR should overrule the linesman.
I know we benefitted vs Leicester but it’s still bollocks
I know we benefitted vs Leicester but it’s still bollocks
Harvey
Chrissy Cohen
Exactly this.
In cricket with DRS if it's too marginal to judge definitively they stick with the on-field umpire's decision
They should do the same with VAR and offsides
Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.
Fulchester United
If it's marginal then I think there would need to be some blanket decision to either give the advantage to the attacking team or the defending team.
Harvey
Chrissy Cohen
It could just be a case of if those lines that they draw show the player onside / offside below a certain distance threshold then the on-field AR's decision should stand
How big a distance would of course be up for debate
EmmersonForest4
Steve Chettle
I think Surridge was offside and I thought VAR has helped us with the Palace and Leicester games. I like it, it is consistnet to me and it eliminitaes the howlers. I know the non offsides can be subjective decisions but I always think its better a ref can get a second look and that eliminates the diving for me. The Sabri season I yearned for VAR with some of the decisions we had. I dont think refs are good enough to not have it.
Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.
Fulchester United
If you're going to use the technology then I think you should rule out any input from the AR.
Harvey
Chrissy Cohen
If this is the case, given we have goal-line technology as well now, they why bother having an AR at all?
Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.
Fulchester United
Throw-ins, fouls, absorb abuse from fans ...
EmmersonForest4
Steve Chettle
Without VAR you will see the return of diving for me. I know it still happens a bit but the absolute best thing about VAR is showing the divers for what they are. Also I have not thought about this much but the decline in diving is also showing a bad look on the players as it was much more pre meditated than I originally thought it was.
Harvey
Chrissy Cohen
Surely all three could be covered by VAR?
Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.
Fulchester United
I find myself in agreement with Emmerson.
I am going for a lie down ...
I am going for a lie down ...
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Geoff Thomas
Agreed, the red line clearly isn't parallel to the blue one. You don't even need a set square for it. Like a picture not hanging straight on a wall..the human eye is the best judge of parallel. Couple that with the frame it's taken and the thickness of the lines used and where they are placed and you have a large source of error. But look there's green grass between..he's offside!..complete joke of a system. Make the lines smaller, parallel and analyze all the contact frames , if any of them overlap then go back to the onfield decision...we may have had a few chalked off this season like this, but this seems like a more consistent system.I thought the offside was close, but didn't question it on the night, but having looked again.
How the hell have they come up with the red line? It looks angled away from his knee as it goes down. If you look where his boot is touching the pitch signified by the blue line there is no way his knee is overhanging his boot by the distance between the blue & red line.
Also the the shot they chose to base it on it looks like the ball has left MGW boot.
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VAR just ruins the game for me....you just can't celebrate a goal in real time now and need to wait for these inaccurate lines to be draw...it needs an overhaul!
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Ale Ape
I hope that one day the offsides will be settled by a better technology - something similar to the current goaline tech that can definitively rule, down an indisputable accuracy, exactly where each player is when the ball is played - would be a complicated thing to implement though.
EmmersonForest4
Steve Chettle
I am a VAR fan but I think I preferred the Offiside tech they used in the world cup to one we have in the prem.
Morpeth
John Robertson
I hate VAR but the lines aren't meant to look parallel unless you look from above.