VAR

Finding Remo

Finding Remo

The artist formerly known as Forest_1865
What’s everyone’s thoughts on VAR?

I remember Frank Lampard scoring that goal against Germany that was never given and thinking we desperately needed something like VAR to stop it happening.

But it seems to have turned into a complete farce. Things are called away from the play forcing the ref to stop the game. It seems to take 3 or 4 minutes for the VAR reviewer to rewind and play the footage over and over without reaching any conclusion. Then the ref trots over and spends another few minutes watching the same thing. The replay is genuinely inconclusive and still relies on the ref’s opinion which then seems to put excessive pressure on him (as he can’t use the “I only saw it once for a split second”).

It’s all become very American Football to me.

Honestly, I’d take the not given goal against Germany over this current crap we have now. Part of the charm of football was discussing if it should have been a penalty or not, was it a foul etc. Let’s get rid!
 
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
Agree in regards to the laws. They should have been re-written them on it's introduction. I am okay with it though, I have come away from less games this season feeling robbed.

As your example of the goal against Germany @Forest_1865, well that was already solved with goal line technology which is an excellent edition.

I am interested to see how automated offsides work in the WC. Automated technology like goal-line is better than VAR. The main complaints with VAR from me are: Takes too long, that's down to poor judgement - there should be a time limit on appeals. And the handball rule. Not just because yesterday, week after week it's ridiclous - everytime it touches somebodies hand they give a pen. It should be deliberate = penalty, non-deliberate = no penalty.

For me the way offsides are being used a poor as well - the reluctance to raise their flags not only effects games (can allow teams to keep the ball when they shouldn't have), but it also encourages injuries - the Everton player earlier in the season broke his leg because they didn't raise their flag on a blatent offside decision, and then raised it when he broke his leg.
 
Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
Barry said:
VAR could work, it's just not done right and the laws of the game don't help that

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Clearly, if VAR is there to correct "clear and obvious errors" by the onfield officials then any delay of more than 30 seconds means the ref diid not make a clear and obvious error in the first place.
He may have made a mistake... but if it was clear and obvious VAR should establish that very very quickly.
I think VAR in stop/start sports may be a good thing, but football should be a flowing, end to end game and there is no place for VAR in it.
The main downside regarding VAR is that it has totally emasculated the on-field officials ability to manage the game as they should.
The old adage about a good ref was that if he wasn't noticed, he had had a good game.
VAR has not yet been "unnoticed", and therefore has NEVER had a good game.
Basically it is a shite solution to a problem created by the media companies.
It gives them time to put on more adverts, and it makes the game more exciting for the armchair fan who thinks the only way to watch a game is on a TV screen, with several bags of high fay, highly processed junk food, swilled down with copious amounts of crap beer, and who are addicted to online gambling.
VAR is, and always will be, absolute shite.
 
Rockabilly

Rockabilly

GAFF LAD. "Open your knees and feel the breeze"
Kills the momentum of the game.
 
GOBIAS

GOBIAS

Ian Bowyer
Well before VAR came to football it was introduced to rugby league and I didn’t really like it except for certain things.

For me the goal line tech is great, doesn’t interrupt play and is proven so that isn’t even in the debate.

The problem is with VAR is most decisions are subjective. They are subjective after one look. They are subjective after 3 looks and they are subjective after 50 views from 10 different angles. All that happens is you just get a delayed game and frustration!!

The offside thing does my head in too. For me their should be one look at it instantly as the game goes on and if it looks ok then that is it. No drawing lines, stopping and starting it, zooming in. It either looks ok or it doesn’t. Who wants to zoom in to someone’s nose being 1mm ahead of another persons fringe?

If a clearly violent off ball clash has happened again it can be called to refs attention.

I’d say give each team an appeal per half or 3 per game maybe and they are limited to 30 seconds pee view. How many outrageous decisions do you get against you in one game that you feel genuinely has changed the game? Usually no more than 1 or 2.
 
Barry

Barry

Where's me hammer?
Captain Sinister said:
Clearly, if VAR is there to correct "clear and obvious errors" by the onfield officials then any delay of more than 30 seconds means the ref diid not make a clear and obvious error in the first place.
He may have made a mistake... but if it was clear and obvious VAR should establish that very very quickly.
I think VAR in stop/start sports may be a good thing, but football should be a flowing, end to end game and there is no place for VAR in it.
The main downside regarding VAR is that it has totally emasculated the on-field officials ability to manage the game as they should.
The old adage about a good ref was that if he wasn't noticed, he had had a good game.
VAR has not yet been "unnoticed", and therefore has NEVER had a good game.
Basically it is a shite solution to a problem created by the media companies.
It gives them time to put on more adverts, and it makes the game more exciting for the armchair fan who thinks the only way to watch a game is on a TV screen, with several bags of high fay, highly processed junk food, swilled down with copious amounts of crap beer, and who are addicted to online gambling.
VAR is, and always will be, absolute shite.
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VAR works in Rugby league and I wouldn't say that's stop start.

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Harvey

Harvey

Chrissy Cohen
I think it probably gets more right than it gets wrong so I would keep it... BUT! It really does need to be for clear and obvious errors only. I'm sick and tired of play stopping for several minutes while they decide. As others have said if you're waiting that long it can't have been a clear and obvious error.
 
Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
Barry said:
VAR works in Rugby league and I wouldn't say that's stop start.

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I wouldn't know about that... rugby league is something I have never got into, even when Eddie Waring was delighting BBC Grandstand with his dulcet commentator's tones.
 
Rockabilly

Rockabilly

GAFF LAD. "Open your knees and feel the breeze"
VAR is like when you were a teenager havin' a w@nk in your bedroom. Just about to shoot yer bolt and you hear yer mam stomping up the the stairs. Pull yer kecks up, Fiesta back under the bed. Not the same afterwards. VAR is the same, kills the passion after scoring a goal.

So I've been told. ;)
 
Quntib Hollox

Quntib Hollox

Jack Armstrong
I’m of an age that can remember how blatantly onesided referees were when you played certain other so called big teams. For that reason alone we need VAR to keep them more honest but tweak the system a bit so the delays aren’t dragged on more than necessary.
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
I like it if it's used properly. If there's a mistake and the officials have missed something such as the foul on Yates then there needs to be something overturning it.

If it takes 4 minutes to determine if Neco's tat was in an offside position by 3mm when he picked the ball off Brennan to cross it in for Taiwo to score then that's neither clear nor obvious.

Personally I think it shows refs are making too many errors and that they know they have the safety net of anything controversial to be dissected by VAR anyway,

I would say that if there is a decision which gets overturned by VAR then the ref and assistants should have to attend a discussion after the match with their superiors explaining their decision and why they got it wrong.
 
Barry

Barry

Where's me hammer?
Captain Sinister said:
I wouldn't know about that... rugby league is something I have never got into, even when Eddie Waring was delighting BBC Grandstand with his dulcet commentator's tones.
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Im not a big fan of VAR but it does work in that game with a combo of the big screens and the ref being microphoned up so you can hear what they are looking at, at home and at the game. It's more the ref saying "have I seen this right" rather than the VAR ref saying "look at this."

Im of the belief that they want it to be shit so they can say they tried it and the fans didn't want it.

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Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
It’s odd because I see so many whinging about VAR, but they really seem to have implemented it differently in the Bundesliga?

Here, VAR only gets involved if either they spot the officials have missed something, or if the Referee asks them to (for example, checking a potential offside call on a goal).

Typically, such interventions are done quickly, with the VAR calling the Ref to the sideline, if needed.
 
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