"Top" Clubs trying to form a super league again?

[Bryn Gunn]

Re: "Top" Clubs trying to form a super league again?

Very true, back in the 80s Man.u regualy got less than 30k, Liverpool got around 20k for European cup games & Southampton averaged less than 20k when they finished 2nd

Back in the 80's I went to half a dozen Man Utd games with some friends that were big Man Utd fans. The last game of the season that particular year was against a relegated Aston Villa and there was about 28,000 on with a good 4,000+ Villa.
It was pathetic.

They were low times for that club.

On the flipside I watched them v Liverpool and there was around 56,000 on.

 

[alabamared]

They averaged 13k in the 80’s. Take away the possibility of competing at the top level, and their fan base will drain away to even lower than that over time.

We already have the lower leagues in this country for people who want to watch grass roots football, like the College leagues in the US. The attendances and viewing figures for the NFL dwarf those of the college leagues.

I think you need to check you figures on College attendances. Alabama average home attendance was 101K and the highest NFL average home attendance was the Dalas Cowboys at 92K average, Auburn the second rated College team in Alabama drew an average of more than 90K which is still better than Green Bay the second best attended NFL team.

Hardly dwarfed by the NFL,

Just because the College game is not promoted much outside the US never underestimate its popularity in the US especially south of the Mason Dixon Line.

 

[Strummer]

I think you need to check you figures on College attendances. Alabama average home attendance was 101K and the highest NFL average home attendance was the Dalas Cowboys at 92K average, Auburn the second rated College team in Alabama drew an average of more than 90K which is still better than Green Bay the second best attended NFL team.

Hardly dwarfed by the NFL,

Just because the College game is not promoted much outside the US never underestimate its popularity in the US especially south of the Mason Dixon Line.

Posted this before, but I enjoy the college game more than the NFL.

 

[Beardo7]

I think you need to check you figures on College attendances. Alabama average home attendance was 101K and the highest NFL average home attendance was the Dalas Cowboys at 92K average, Auburn the second rated College team in Alabama drew an average of more than 90K which is still better than Green Bay the second best attended NFL team.

Hardly dwarfed by the NFL,

Just because the College game is not promoted much outside the US never underestimate its popularity in the US especially south of the Mason Dixon Line.

When we head to the US next year to watch some NFL I'm hoping to take in a few collage games and the atmostphere always looks quality. (No idea where mind! Possibly Maryland)

 

[Viktor]

When we head to the US next year to watch some NFL I'm hoping to take in a few collage games and the atmostphere always looks quality. (No idea where mind! Possibly Maryland)

I've been to see the Trojans at the Golden Bears. Great, and somehow totally different to an NFL game.

Sent from the Tranquility Base Hotel + Casino

 

[Strummer]

There’s a few slightly different rules in the NCAA college games, and the additional width of the hash marks on the field (in college, they are further apart) promotes more of an inside running game, which is why you see the “Option” offence so much (a system no NFL team has ever deployed in the same way it is run in college).

Only colleges used to use the two-point conversion, although the NFL has adopted that now.

Also there are genuine rivalries in the college game, built up over decades, that - unlike the NFL - aren’t going to disappear overnight when a Billionaire owner takes the hump and moves the team because the local council won’t give him a new stadium for free.

 

[Rzar]

This looks to be dead in the water and not happening.

Key point and big positive is it’s looking like the end of the line for Infantino, who’s constant meddling has been very annoying.

 

[T.O.Tricky.]

This looks to be dead in the water and not happening.

Key point and big positive is it’s looking like the end of the line for Infantino, who’s constant meddling has been very annoying.

Good, cause I'm sure he's looking to make the 2026 have 128 countries in it.

 

[Redemption]

It never dies.

80 teams in regional leagues

European Super League: Fresh plans for 80-team competition announced by chief executive Bernd Reichart

A new-look European Super League would be based on sporting performance only with no permanent members, A22 chief executive Bernd Reichart told German newspaper Die Welt; teams would be guaranteed a minimum of 14 matches per season; La Liga call plans selfish and greed-driven

www.skysports.com

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Let it happen. f*** all the plastics off along with their mainstream dross music and Netflix adaptations, and let them live their lives as the Matrix batteries they are.

 

[Redemption]

I'd expect the owners will want Oly and Forest to be in the 80?

 

[Flaggers]

Tell em all they can f*** off when they like but there is no possibility of a return.

This is the clincher for me - f*** them off and when it collapses in 3 years time they come back at Conference level 2 or similar

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

Let it happen. f*** all the plastics off along with their mainstream dross music, Netflix adaptations, and let them live their lives as the Matrix batteries they are.

They've agreed to make it an open-ended competition now so, presumably, promotions and relegations to/from it from the domestic leagues.

Nice and easy therefore Man Utd/Man City etc: Go form your league, but if you get relegated from it, you go straight to Conference North, and we'll put Burnley in the Super League in your place.

 

[Fitzcarraldo]

If they eventually seek a compromise, ditch the Europa League and have top 6+cup winners qualify for the next season's Euro Masters League.

 

[Rzar]

There doesn't seem to be much meat on the bones anymore, however much they try to talk it up.

 

[Buckeye]

I was listening to a Talk Sport (sorry) segment a few days ago about how Premier League money is destroying the European Leagues now. Apparently there's not a lot of money changing hands between the big euro clubs these days and there's a lot of loans and free transfers with a general acceptance that anybody good will be hoovered up by a top 8 Prem team.

How true it is in practice I've no idea, but I can understand European clubs wanting to be in the same league as the likes of the Manchesters and Chelsea to share in the wealth of it all.

 

[Rzar]

I was listening to a Talk Sport (sorry) segment a few days ago about how Premier League money is destroying the European Leagues now. Apparently there's not a lot of money changing hands between the big euro clubs these days and there's a lot of loans and free transfers with a general acceptance that anybody good will be hoovered up by a top 8 Prem team.

How true it is in practice I've no idea, but I can understand European clubs wanting to be in the same league as the likes of the Manchesters and Chelsea to share in the wealth of it all.

It isn't the Premier League destroying them - they destoyed themselves with their own greed in the first place.

Had the top clubs from these leagues not hoovered up all the TV revenue & made a non-competitive league it would have brought more eyeballs to their leagues. When the Serie A was big in the 90's, the Premier League was giving away pretty much free TV deals to countries to promote the league. The share of the PL revenue makes the league more competitive even compared to others.

They just chase the cash and give it to the big clubs, even now La Liga & Serie A as leagues are selling percentages of their future TV income just so they can have some short term cash, their is no vision for any of their leagues. They are absolutely tinpot.

 

[Rzar]

Example: La Liga winners only recieve £5m less prize money than Premier League winners. But the team that finish bottom in the Prem recieve £100m & they recieve £42m in La Liga - they have actually reduced the amount they get this season, it used to be £60m & the winners used to get £20m less than the PL. So they have rigged it even more in recent years to make it even less competitive. Basically taken £20m from Eibar & given it to Real Madrid/Barcelona.

That's why nobody watches the European leagues anymore.

 

[EmmersonForest4]

Too much money sloshing in the prem is the problem. Some people think Man City, Newcastle, Chelsea, the super league is the problem when its not. Its the symtom of too much globalisation. How can anyone compete if Manchester United has 500 million fans? Never mind being owned by states how about being supported by a conteinent?

I was arguing with my mates last year the premier is ruining football. I looked at the stats and the amount of different clubs finishing champions, top 4 and top 7 and its all down from the previous 30 years. You go into Europe and look at the champions league its just as bad.

There are top footballing cities that love the game that will have no chance what so ever to do anything. You look at Stockholm, Warsaw, Copenhagen, Budapest, Bucharest, Belgrade, Athens etc.... These will never win the champions league again.

Globalisation and glory supporting has killed the competition and meant football is no longer about your local side doing well. So Super League is always going to happen because why would you expect big cities in Europe to just accept the status quo?

Moral of the story is there has to be better competion and that will only come with revenue sharing.

 

[EmmersonForest4]

It isn't the Premier League destroying them - they destoyed themselves with their own greed in the first place.

Had the top clubs from these leagues not hoovered up all the TV revenue & made a non-competitive league it would have brought more eyeballs to their leagues. When the Serie A was big in the 90's, the Premier League was giving away pretty much free TV deals to countries to promote the league. The share of the PL revenue makes the league more competitive even compared to others.

They just chase the cash and give it to the big clubs, even now La Liga & Serie A as leagues are selling percentages of their future TV income just so they can have some short term cash, their is no vision for any of their leagues. They are absolutely tinpot.

Its both Rzar isnt it? Look at PSV now, they had a great team going with Gakpo and Madueke than one January bam all gone the project dead. Eindhoven is a great City I have been. They also havent been helped in Holland with the difference between Ajax and the rest.

Europe cant just blame the premier league because at least the premier league shae TV revenue equally however the lack of competition everywhere including the premier has only got worse. Premier leaguer is killing Europe, big clubs in europe are also killing their own leagues.

 

[Rzar]

Its both Rzar isnt it? Look at PSV now, they had a great team going with Gakpo and Madueke than one January bam all gone the project dead. Eindhoven is a great City I have been. They also havent been helped in Holland with the difference between Ajax and the rest.

Europe cant just blame the premier league because at least the premier league shae TV revenue equally however the lack of competition everywhere including the premier has only got worse. Premier leaguer is killing Europe, big clubs in europe are also killing their own leagues.

I would say that's a different argument.

The same concept as what La Liga have done with the distribution of wealth but a different competition. If UEFA distributed the TV revenues in the same way the Premier League do it would create a greater competition.

The same point stands, that larger clubs greed results in their own downfall both domestically & internationally. If you have a more exciting league, the more people that want to watch it, and the more money you will get.

 

[EmmersonForest4]

I would say that's a different argument.

The same concept as what La Liga have done with the distribution of wealth but a different competition. If UEFA distributed the TV revenues in the same way the Premier League do it would create a greater competition.

The same point stands, that larger clubs greed results in their own downfall both domestically & internationally. If you have a more exciting league, the more people that want to watch it, and the more money you will get.

Thats true what you are saying I agree with that completely but the premier league is also pulling too far away. The premier league also benefits not only because its equal share but that its English. That means the US, Australasia, Africa, India etc... All favour naturally the Premier league.

 

[Rzar]

Yeah I don't disagree Emmo, I am just saying it's the fault of the likes of La Liga, Serie A & The Bundesliga as to why that's happening.

 

[Flaggers]

It'd die on its arse in a couple of years anyway.

Suppose Forest qualify for Europe in a year or two.

The away trips to big European stadia for a knockout tournament are a big attraction.

If the "superleague" comes in, The 15th time you're asked to do that on a Wednesday for a meaningless mid-table game with absolutely nothing at stake...you're not exactly going to throw 400 quid for air fares, ticket, hotel etc for the equivalent of Wolves v Bournemouth, are you....

As a live spectator sport it'll die. With no atmosphere at the ground they'll struggle to big it up after the 2nd season.

It's rather like the World Cup. It's exciting and popular BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON EVERY WEEK.

 

[Cloughie1975]

It'd die on its arse in a couple of years anyway.

Suppose Forest qualify for Europe in a year or two.

The away trips to big European stadia for a knockout tournament are a big attraction.

If the "superleague" comes in, The 15th time you're asked to do that on a Wednesday for a meaningless mid-table game with absolutely nothing at stake...you're not exactly going to throw 400 quid for air fares, ticket, hotel etc for the equivalent of Wolves v Bournemouth, are you....

As a live spectator sport it'll die. With no atmosphere at the ground they'll struggle to big it up after the 2nd season.

It's rather like the World Cup. It's exciting and popular BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON EVERY WEEK.

I agree-it would have as much spectator appeal as the Kerry Packer cricket circus.
I just don’t see the English clubs entering anyway-given the reaction by their supporters when it was
first proposed.