"Top" Clubs trying to form a super league again?

[Francis Benali (on loan)]

Re: "Top" Clubs trying to form a super league again?

What nobody at the big clubs manage to grasp is that the English football league structure made them, not viceversa.

Over a 130 years many different teams have been at the top, and dropped back again. In the last thirty years the suits at clubs at the top have seen themselves as England's golden ticket - one more important to English football than English football is to them. Let them go it alone.

 

[Senior Flange Technician]

The endless pursuit of money will inevitably kill the game. THE Football league started it all, yet the entire structure behind it is obviously not conducive to raking in as much cash as possible, despite the fact it's more conducive to actual sport and competition.

 

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The Football League sold its soul to Satan the day they created the Premier League

 

[Ravi]

Re: "Top" Clubs trying to form a super league again?

It doesnt have to disappear, it can go watch the super league. That's half their point.

You may not enjoy football in the lower leagues, but thousands clearly do, old and young. And their enjoyment of it is in no way dependent on Manchestet City and Liverpool being technically involved in the same league structure.

I wouldn't want those leagues to disappear and I suspect a fair number of the people who attend those games aren't regular fans. I just don't see it suddenly being a bigger attraction than it is now.

I've been to watch Lancaster with an Arsenal mate of mine who lives up there and watches them occasionally. I went with my brother in law and nephew to watch Maidenhead U. My nephew was amused at how small everything was compared to Forest, and there's no way he would ever admit to being a fan of a club like that. In truth it's hard enough for him to admit he follows a club like Forest, or keeping him interested when he and his mates are only really interested in the Premier League. I have another nephew who's a Derby ST holder. If you talk to him and his mates about football he knows far more about the Premier League than the Championship, unlike his dad who really only talks about Derby. If there wasn't a chance of Derby getting promoted or if they no longer belonged to the same greater league as the top teams I imagine my nephew would quickly lose interest in going to games.

 

[Ravi]

The Football League sold its soul to Satan the day they created the Premier League

Nah, it was long before that, it was when professional football clubs were allowed into the leagues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_Football_Alliance

 

[Francis Benali (on loan)]

Re: "Top" Clubs trying to form a super league again?

I wouldn't want those leagues to disappear and I suspect a fair number of the people who attend those games aren't regular fans. I just don't see it suddenly being a bigger attraction than it is now.

I've been to watch Lancaster with an Arsenal mate of mine who lives up there and watches them occasionally. I went with my brother in law and nephew to watch Maidenhead U. My nephew was amused at how small everything was compared to Forest, and there's no way he would ever admit to being a fan of a club like that. In truth it's hard enough for him to admit he follows a club like Forest, or keeping him interested when he and his mates are only really interested in the Premier League. I have another nephew who's a Derby ST holder. If you talk to him and his mates about football he knows far more about the Premier League than the Championship, unlike his dad who really only talks about Derby. If there wasn't a chance of Derby getting promoted or if they no longer belonged to the same greater league as the top teams I imagine my nephew would quickly lose interest in going to games.

My brother has been a Notts County fan for years. Season tickets, travelled away. He used to tell people he supported Everton at school. Kids grow out of it.

The percentage of regular fans at Accrington, Oldham, Exeter will be far higher than at Man Utd and Arsenal.

 

[Bryn Gunn]

I think the lower leagues are great.
The only thing that puts me off attending more games is the cost. It's not that I can't afford it, I just can't see how they can justify the prices, £17 to watch Alfreton Town, and next season a season ticket at Forest will be cheaper than one at Mansfield Town.

That's just two examples, no doubt there's dozens more.

I've got absolutely no interest in the Premiership or whatever league they want to form, beyond Forest being in it and not just surviving, but competing.
If I was offered two separate tickets on the same day to watch Man United or Oldham, I'd go to Boundary Park.

 

[Garry-Balding Red]

The sooner they sod off the better.

As long as it's made sure that they will not be able to do trade with any English League club or can run / maintain a 'reserve' side within our leagues, then we will get our sport back. The recalibration of the English leagues would be a painful process but eventually the likes of us would no longer need (or be of interest to) faceless, foreign fat cats. Transfer fees and wages would have to become normal again but eventually the standards on the pitch would rise.

Those who do sod off will condemn themselves from a return, their new found mega-financial structures wouldn't be able to withstand the huge gulf in coming back to us - GOOD. They'd probably have to fold, re-form and start back in about our tier 10. Would serve them right.


So "yes please. As soon as you're ready............ Still here??"

 

[Bryn Gunn]

The sooner they sod off the better.

As long as it's made sure that they will not be able to do trade with any English League club or can run / maintain a 'reserve' side within our leagues, then we will get our sport back. The recalibration of the English leagues would be a painful process but eventually the likes of us would no longer need (or be of interest to) faceless, foreign fat cats. Transfer fees and wages would have to become normal again but eventually the standards on the pitch would rise.

Those who do sod off will condemn themselves from a return, their new found mega-financial structures wouldn't be able to withstand the huge gulf in coming back to us - GOOD. They'd probably have to fold, re-form and start back in about our tier 10. Would serve them right.


So "yes please. As soon as you're ready............ Still here??"

Be interesting to see how the Football League would evolve, or not.

That would be my fear, that it would turn into the Scottish lower leagues.

Something needs to change though.

I was looking at the new Spurs stadium the other day. It's a f***ing monster, it engulfs all its dated surroundings and looks a bit out of place in my opinion.
But that's what we are trying to compete against, Super Clubs.

 

[Francis Benali (on loan)]

The last time any fans of third and fourth division clubs had any reason to pay attention to the Champions League behemoths is when Danny Mills inexplicably popped up on a football thinktank to tell them that they would prefer to watch their side compete against Chelsea's reserves, they just didn't know it yet.

 

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The last time any fans of third and fourth division clubs had any reason to pay attention to the Champions League behemoths is when Danny Mills inexplicably popped up on a football thinktank to tell them that they would prefer to watch their side compete against Chelsea's reserves, they just didn't know it yet.

f*** Danny Mills

 

[Garry-Balding Red]

Be interesting to see how the Football League would evolve, or not.

That would be my fear, that it would turn into the Scottish lower leagues.

I honestly believe it wouldn't Bryn. We have the required fan base even in the lower leagues to prevent that.

I'd hope / believe we would readjust back to Divisions 1-4, foreign players would dwindle and English football would return to us all.


Might be a dream but it nearly classes its self as a 'wet one' as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Francis Benali (on loan)]

They said it'd never be the same without Wanderers, Old Etonians and the Royal Engineers. Where are those naysayers now?

 

[Forestjones]

I was thinking that if the "big" clubs go off and form their international league, the fans left here of those clubs won't be able to travel to away games, so many, who are not real committed fans anyway, will just switch to local clubs, swelling those fanbases.

Well, the F&*&£@S had better sit down if they come away :yellowcard:

 

[Rzar]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...et-for-new-fifa-club-cup-worth-100m-6bz9gcxkq

Can't see this happening, especially with UEFA & Premier League against it.

It just sounds like a summer Champions League, certainly wouldn't see the moving of the league systems.

Notice they have also made it three Champions League trophies to not include us.

 

[Francis Benali (on loan)]

For the best. Could you imagine how Forest get on in it right now?

 

[Strummer]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...et-for-new-fifa-club-cup-worth-100m-6bz9gcxkq

Can't see this happening, especially with UEFA & Premier League against it.

It just sounds like a summer Champions League, certainly wouldn't see the moving of the league systems.

Notice they have also made it three Champions League trophies to not include us.

I bet Chelsea get asked though, with only one, and Moneybags City, who’ve won precisely zero.

 

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I bet Chelsea get asked though, with only one, and Moneybags City, who’ve won precisely zero.

You can bet Citeh will be in there somewhere

The whole thing stinks if you ask me

 

[Rzar]

For the best. Could you imagine how Forest get on in it right now?

Well parachute payments wouldn't be a problem put it that way.

 

[Otis Redding]

The Football League sold its soul to Satan the day they created the Premier League

Far be it from me to defend that organisation, but I don't think that the FL could do anything other when the Football Association unsurprisingly caved-in, and the top-tier clubs (which included us) threatened to resign en-mass.

 

[andover red]

Re: "Top" Clubs trying to form a super league again?

What nobody at the big clubs manage to grasp is that the English football league structure made them, not viceversa.

Over a 130 years many different teams have been at the top, and dropped back again. In the last thirty years the suits at clubs at the top have seen themselves as England's golden ticket - one more important to English football than English football is to them. Let them go it alone.

Exactly why I'd love to see the rest of the FL call their bluff. f*** them off.

Real fans of real clubs would hardly notice the difference. We haven't played those clubs regularly for 20 years now, but we all still follow Forest and that wouldn't change. Many 'fans' of the big clubs wouldn't care either, as they only watch them on TV. The losers would be those fans of the big clubs who go to away games, and the lower PL clubs who would be left behind to play the likes of us without the big paycheck. They would be the ones fighting at all cost to keep the big clubs here.

 

[Eddie Yates]

Re: "Top" Clubs trying to form a super league again?

In the eighties. Forest couldn't get 20k under Clough in the eighties. It had more to do with football's reputation as a spectator sport, stadium disasters, violence than whether or not tgey got to take a 5-0 hamnering every other week at the hands of a club in the race for Fourth.

Very true, back in the 80s Man.u regualy got less than 30k, Liverpool got around 20k for European cup games & Southampton averaged less than 20k when they finished 2nd

 

[Eddie Yates]

Re: "Top" Clubs trying to form a super league again?

You may prefer the lower leagues, but the huge attendances and tv viewing figures suggest that top level football isn’t about to suddenly disappear. If you takeaway the top of the pyramid most of the money will go with it. The older nostalgia driven fans might hang around for a while, but most young people want to be where the action is.

I’d much rather watch the L2 play-off final than the f***ing CL final with its wanky anthem blasted out pre match

 

[Forestjones]

Re: "Top" Clubs trying to form a super league again?

I’d much rather watch the L2 play-off final than the f***ing CL final with its wanky anthem blasted out pre match

Me too, in fact I've been to 3 of them.

 

[Francis Benali (on loan)]

Re: "Top" Clubs trying to form a super league again?

I guess I'll be going to my fifth Wembley play-off final if Notts win on Friday. It's a decent retirn for a Forest fan.

And it'll complete the set - div 2,3,4 & Conf