Stuart Atwell, the Frank Spencer of football Referees.
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Viv Anderson
I agree with MaxiRobriguez. There are 2 competing principles at play which make a mockery of the way VAR is used in the Prem. Referees are not making decisions because VAR will capture any errors. But VAR won't overturn decisions unless there is a clear and obvious error (or it would benefit Forest), but the threshold for clear and obvious is ridiculously high so they Don embarrass their mates.
You'd think if you're in the middle of all this it would be clear and obvious that it was making them look ridiculous. Instead they've doubled down.
The solution would be for ref's to describe incidents and the reason for their decision to the VAR official so they can actually see if something was missed. It works wellin rugby, and they often do it as play develops, not just in the breaks.
In an ideal world this description would be shared with the fans too.
You'd think if you're in the middle of all this it would be clear and obvious that it was making them look ridiculous. Instead they've doubled down.
The solution would be for ref's to describe incidents and the reason for their decision to the VAR official so they can actually see if something was missed. It works wellin rugby, and they often do it as play develops, not just in the breaks.
In an ideal world this description would be shared with the fans too.
valspoodle
Steve Chettle
Idon't see why they need all the legal mumbo-jumbo to try and make the system work. just have it on an open basis.
The ref runs the game on the field, but VAR can tell him at any time, if they think it necessary, of something they have spotted or something he appears to have get wrong. He can chose to ignore them, but why must they have all this nonsense about how and when they may take part?
The Boly incident is a prime example.
The ref runs the game on the field, but VAR can tell him at any time, if they think it necessary, of something they have spotted or something he appears to have get wrong. He can chose to ignore them, but why must they have all this nonsense about how and when they may take part?
The Boly incident is a prime example.
Agent Penguin
Geoff Thomas
Another VAR whopper tonight in the Wolves v Bournemouth game
Good old Stuart Atwell
Wolves fans singing Nunos right, Atwells shite.
Good old Stuart Atwell
Wolves fans singing Nunos right, Atwells shite.
Project Zeus
Steve Chettle
Wolves have suffered just as much as Forest from refereeing disasters this season, and last, now I mention it.
They really should be coming out and joining Forest in their criticism. It's time for strength in numbers.
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They really should be coming out and joining Forest in their criticism. It's time for strength in numbers.
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PynchonForest
John Robertson
Fair point. But you look at Rosato and how he performed in a Champions League quarter final and age and running are not always big factors. Though Taylor is sometimes a bit lazy, his running is very good for his age. And Attwell's running is excellent. But his brain is nowhere near up to it. There is a over emphasis on running with younger referees and while fitness and running are important, if the decision making is wrong then neither of those things matter much.
Having said all of that. I think two referees on the pitch is a great idea, and I think it will happen once they deep six ARs, which is going to happen sometime soon. Five years max, I figure.
PynchonForest
John Robertson
Attwell, in the center of controversy , yet again. And yet someone a few pages back said I ALWAYS take the referee's side. Apparently, that person (I honestly forget who it was) is a rather selective reader.
I have been critical of referees many times. I just don't agree with a fair chunk of the criticism thrown their way on this board. The ref is the easiest guy to blame when things go wrong. A reasonable amount of the time, deservedly so. Just as often, no chance.
I have been critical of referees many times. I just don't agree with a fair chunk of the criticism thrown their way on this board. The ref is the easiest guy to blame when things go wrong. A reasonable amount of the time, deservedly so. Just as often, no chance.
valspoodle
Steve Chettle
Good old Pynchon. Even on here the ref takes the flak! It has forever been thus, though, even when I was a youngster, we were taking pot shots at the ref. An easy target, but in those days we just took it out on him because he was the one in control and the one with whom we could agree was wrong.
But these days when we have so many cameras showing the events on the pitch, there is nowhere to hide. And recently the decisions have been pretty poor, both by the onfield refs and the VAR cubbyhole.
I'm convinced that refs are assessed by how they control the players and how they dress and behave on the pitch. Not by how many decisions they get right or wrong.
But these days when we have so many cameras showing the events on the pitch, there is nowhere to hide. And recently the decisions have been pretty poor, both by the onfield refs and the VAR cubbyhole.
I'm convinced that refs are assessed by how they control the players and how they dress and behave on the pitch. Not by how many decisions they get right or wrong.
Berkshire Red
Jack Armstrong
Roy Keane says Forest have not "shown any class". That's rich from a bloke who used to stamp on opponents and regularly intimidate referees.
Robertson
Viv Anderson
And threw his toys out the pram and refused to play for his country in the World Cup
Robertson
Viv Anderson
I’ve often thought “show some class” loosely translates as “know your place, peasant”. Very irritating turn of phrase used by dickheads, in the main.
Two Weeks Away
First Team Squad
He could show some class by remembering who gave him his big chance in english football
I wonder if their various employer, Sky, might have put some pressure on them to speak as they have - protecting the status quo protects the Sky Sports brand.....
GOBIAS
Ian Bowyer
To be fair he has form with Marinakis
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
Yes I don't think we need to take lectures on class from Roy Keane much in the same way we wouldn't need medic lectures from Harold Shipman.
Irish Wolf
First Team Squad
I wouldn't worry about Roy Keane. Great footballer, shit human being.
Many of us Irish laugh at his emotionless, hard man attitude on British TV. If he tried that nonsense over here he would be told to take his face for a shite.
Many of us Irish laugh at his emotionless, hard man attitude on British TV. If he tried that nonsense over here he would be told to take his face for a shite.
Sounds to me like Roy can stick his opinions up his bollocks?
Thomas
AMERICAN IDIOT
The media being against us actually makes me extremely angry. They can stick their opinions where the sun doesn’t f***ing shine, dickheads.
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Col Steve Austin
Viv Anderson
Athletic article lamenting poor Attwell's treatment and suggesting that the VAR at Wolves shouldn't have intervened so as not to cause him more embarrassment:
theathletic.com
Nothing about that decision confirming his errors at Everton.
I thought the Athletic was better than that.
Referee Stuart Attwell endures the kind of evening he (and Wolves) really didn't need
Just three days on from being subject of Nottingham Forest's fury, Attwell became the latest referee to feel the wrath of the Molineux crowd
theathletic.com
Nothing about that decision confirming his errors at Everton.
I thought the Athletic was better than that.
Col Steve Austin
Viv Anderson
He hasn't shown much class to the manager who put his faith in Keane and took Keane to multiple league titles and a champions league, either.
GOBIAS
Ian Bowyer
He was even going on about us berating refs on the pitch after the Liverpool game
Robertson
Viv Anderson
To be fair, VAR shouldn’t have intervened at Wolves. But I can’t state strongly enough how that reason shouldn’t have been “so as not to cause Stuart Atwell further embarrassment”.Athletic article lamenting poor Attwell's treatment and suggesting that the VAR at Wolves shouldn't have intervened so as not to cause him more embarrassment:
Referee Stuart Attwell endures the kind of evening he (and Wolves) really didn't need
Just three days on from being subject of Nottingham Forest's fury, Attwell became the latest referee to feel the wrath of the Molineux crowd
Nothing about that decision confirming his errors at Everton.
I thought the Athletic was better than that.
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
So the athletic are promoting that the PGMOL should indulge in conscious bias. Can these idiots genuinely not see what they are saying?Athletic article lamenting poor Attwell's treatment and suggesting that the VAR at Wolves shouldn't have intervened so as not to cause him more embarrassment:
Referee Stuart Attwell endures the kind of evening he (and Wolves) really didn't need
Just three days on from being subject of Nottingham Forest's fury, Attwell became the latest referee to feel the wrath of the Molineux crowd
Nothing about that decision confirming his errors at Everton.
I thought the Athletic was better than that.
Clearly, The Athletic knows which side its bread is buttered!