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[Erik]

PGMOL and their members, will be interpreting the rules and doing things the way their paymasters want them to.

That is all we need to know.

 

[FLC]

This photo shows that the Fourth Official acknowledged the mistake made by Tierney.

He must have radioed it through to have it ignored?

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I'm not a conspiracy theorist but this does have the faint whiff of Anderlecht about it.

 

[Joe Baker's Dog]

It was when Yates got f***ing SMACKED in the head with a strongly hit ball, and of course bro fell on the floor holding his head. But, a bit of head tennis happened and the ball was sent into the penalty area, we head it out and while it was still in the air traveling towards mid field, ref blew his whistle. So, it was actually not the same.

Some forest fan on twitter, think his name was Alex, was spouting this f***ing nonsense and basically cuddling up with Liverpool fans. It was embarrassing.

Found the clip Liverpool fans are saying was the same thing:

https://x.com/sabrilamouchi11/status/1764233837955985507?s=61

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Spot on. Yates needed treatment for being hit smack in the face.......Konate pretended he'd had a head injury......as soon as the referee stopped the game he jumped up (& unlike Yates didn't need treatment). The press tho won't mention that.

 

[Notcher]

What the ref said to Yates about not returning the ball to us.

“The referee told me: ‘That’s the rule, they get the ball.’ I honestly don’t know how that is possible."

So he doesn't even know the rules he's supposed to apply. The concern is that's a rule almost everyone knows so what other rules does he not know?

On that basis he should be made to retake his referees exam.

 

[donny]

What the ref said to Yates about not returning the ball to us.

“The referee told me: ‘That’s the rule, they get the ball.’ I honestly don’t know how that is possible."

So he doesn't even know the rules he's supposed to apply. The concern is that's a rule almost everyone knows so what other rules does he not know?

On that basis he should be made to retake his referees exam.

One thing I've seen through all of this (and I'd be the same no matter which team it was that was the victim of the error), is that every former match official has come out and said that they cannot understand how he has made that error.
From my understanding, if he was unsure of who the ball was to be returned to, he could ask any of his assistants or the 4th official, or, (and I'm not 100% sure of the legality here), asked VAR to look at the decision quickly whilst he was sorting things out.

We'll get an apology, and he'll miss a match week, but, theres far more to it than that, these decisions can be worth hundreds of millions of pounds, and, using all the technology available should be a given.

 

[valspoodle]

Question.

Last Saturday there were five games on at 3pm. All running at the same time, was there just one VAR team at Stockly Park to try and view and run the rule over all five?

 

[Dr Sheldon Cooper]

Spot on. Yates needed treatment for being hit smack in the face.......Konate pretended he'd had a head injury......as soon as the referee stopped the game he jumped up (& unlike Yates didn't need treatment). The press tho won't mention that.

This is the express shooting down the Liverpool line

But Van Dijk brought up how, in the first half, there was a similar moment involving Ryan Yates. The Forest captain went down while Liverpool were in possession with a head injury after Harvey Elliott's shot struck him. But the official gave possession back to Forest after play resumed.

IFAB laws state this was the correct call because the ball was in the penalty area when the whistle was blown. But the Liverpool skipper said: "I think it [the frustrated Forest reaction] was about the timing of it. There was a moment in the first half when exactly the same happened to us...

Virgil van Dijk offers take on Liverpool controversy as Forest take matters t...

Liverpool scored a contentious late goal to beat Nottingham Forest with Forest now set to go to the PGMOL to voice their frustrations.

www.express.co.uk

Not like the press to disagree with the beloved Liverpool line

 

[Browser79]

BBC are staying strong.
1. Sick and tired of the timing argument. We had the last phase of play in the game on the attack and he switched that last phase over to Liverpool. Sat in that ground it did not feel like huge time elapsed - fans were still screaming about the decision when the goal went in - it was part of the same phase. He allowed Liverpool the chance for an attack. Think what that does in rugby.
2. Awoniyi is caught on the ball, not CHO.
3. How can you be a credible journo presuming the authority to comment on this game if you’ve not absorbed the reasons why the ‘similar’ call wasn’t similar?

We’re all coming over as hysterical to the press. What they fail to realise is that this is the accumulation of weeks of this kind of treatment. The straw that fucks the camel.

 

[benj360]

I keep reading and hearing that this cost us a point from various people, but for those few minutes before Tierney's moment of madness we were hardly keeping it in the corner to run down the clock - we had their area under siege having built up a head of steam with the whole ground roaring us on. In those moments I genuinely believed we were gong to nick it; obviously we'll never know how it would have turned out - we may have continued to be wasteful with our chances and they'd have hung on for the draw - but saying it cost us a point ignores the fact that we were in control and actually going for the kill.

 

[Statto]

Question.

Last Saturday there were five games on at 3pm. All running at the same time, was there just one VAR team at Stockly Park to try and view and run the rule over all five?

Each match has a VAR official and assistant watching it.

 

[YellowBelly Red]

I keep reading and hearing that this cost us a point from various people, but for those few minutes before Tierney's moment of madness we were hardly keeping it in the corner to run down the clock - we had their area under siege having built up a head of steam with the whole ground roaring us on. In those moments I genuinely believed we were gong to nick it; obviously we'll never know how it would have turned out - we may have continued to be wasteful with our chances and they'd have hung on for the draw - but saying it cost us a point ignores the fact that we were in control and actually going for the kill.

Absolutely this. That decision sucked the impetus out of us, and handed Liverpool a chance to get out and hoof the ball up the pitch. Our concentration had gone, and they capitalised.

 

[Browser79]

Scousers are convinced we were time wasting. Got to admit I didn’t notice the bookings but the vibe of the last minutes was anything but Forest stalling for time.

 

[magicwoand]

Have we heard from the PGMOL yet?

 

[Wickio]

Scousers are convinced we were time wasting. Got to admit I didn’t notice the bookings but the vibe of the last minutes was anything but Forest stalling for time.

I noticed the bookings and thought they were nonsense. Consistent with the other late decisions.

 

[Notcher]

BBC are staying strong.
1. Sick and tired of the timing argument. We had the last phase of play in the game on the attack and he switched that last phase over to Liverpool. Sat in that ground it did not feel like huge time elapsed - fans were still screaming about the decision when the goal went in - it was part of the same phase. He allowed Liverpool the chance for an attack. Think what that does in rugby.
2. Awoniyi is caught on the ball, not CHO.
3. How can you be a credible journo presuming the authority to comment on this game if you’ve not absorbed the reasons why the ‘similar’ call wasn’t similar?

We’re all coming over as hysterical to the press. What they fail to realise is that this is the accumulation of weeks of this kind of treatment. The straw that fucks the camel.

What a ridiculous false equivalence to say at least he's being consistent even if he's wrong

 

[Flaggers]

We've made it as far as national satire! (In a good way)

 

[Cortez the Killer]

As teams fighting for the title I assume Man City and Arsenal were also furious with the referee's 'mistake' but obviously they can't say much about it because they too benefit from the same regular 'referee mistakes.'


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[REDDERS78]

Tierney must have known that he'd made a huge mistake with the dropped ball. The reaction of the players, the coaches and the crowd must have alerted him.

If he'd used his head, and blown up when Liverpool didn't directly score from that last corner, then most of the anger and criticism would have been deflected away.

He knew he had made a mistake before he made the mistake, that's the problem.

 

[Colbackstreet Boys]

If its confirmed he was advised by fourth official or another authority in the ground other than a player that the ball should have been returned to us then that is incredibly serious for Tierney. His integrity is already under heavy scrutiny but this would take it to another level.

We are hurtling towards an unwanted first in English football - legal action against a refereeing body. There is precedent in the Belgium league for this with Genk. Perception is everything when an institution requires trust to function - and Howard Webb needs to do something radical to get his referees into line because their unprecedented incompetence and volume of obvious errors this season - even with the backstop of VAR - is creating a very real perception that the integrity and impartiality of PGMOL has been compromised. There is only so long clubs outside the top 6 - and even members of it - will give them the benefit of the doubt before taking matters into their own hands. There is too much at stake these days. It's a ticking time bomb and us hiring Clattenburg is the first big tik.

In the immediate term, I think the club needs to work on the assumption of a default bad faith in terms of the officials given our games. I'm loathe to say it but they have lost the right to our trust and respect and if we're to survive both the points deduction and the handicap already given to us by referees so far this season we need to become everything we despise for the remaining games - dive, get in the ref's face, feign head injuries, roll around, get players in the book, get them sent off, protest everything. Do everything they let the top 6 clubs do without consequence. If they won't approach our games with integrity and good faith why should we? We literally need a team of Ryan Yates.

 

[donny]

If its confirmed he was advised by fourth official or another authority in the ground other than a player that the ball should have been returned to us then that is incredibly serious for Tierney. His integrity is already under heavy scrutiny but this would take it to another level.

We are hurtling towards an unwanted first in English football - legal action against a refereeing body. There is precedent in the Belgium league for this with Genk. Perception is everything when an institution requires trust to function - and Howard Webb needs to do something radical to get his referees into line because their unprecedented incompetence and volume of obvious errors this season - even with the backstop of VAR - is creating a very real perception that the integrity and impartiality of PGMOL has been compromised. There is only so long clubs outside the top 6 - and even members of it - will give them the benefit of the doubt before taking matters into their own hands. There is too much at stake these days. It's a ticking time bomb and us hiring Clattenburg is the first big tik.

In the immediate term, I think the club needs to work on the assumption of a default bad faith in terms of the officials given our games. I'm loathe to say it but they have lost the right to our trust and respect and if we're to survive both the points deduction and the handicap already given to us by referees so far this season we need to become everything we despise for the remaining games - dive, get in the ref's face, feign head injuries, roll around, get players in the book, get them sent off, protest everything. Do everything they let the top 6 clubs do without consequence. If they won't approach our games with integrity and good faith why should we? We literally need a team of Ryan Yates.

Literally become Inglorious Basterds..

 

[Browser79]

BBC seem to have made an editorial decision to pile in with Liverpool. Promoting Simon Stone’s inaccuracies up their page and now pushing criticism that Jenas had for us hours prior to him saying on MOTD he was ‘livid’ with what went on. I need to switch the sports news off. Possibly football in general.

 

[Captain Sinister]

If its confirmed he was advised by fourth official or another authority in the ground other than a player that the ball should have been returned to us then that is incredibly serious for Tierney. His integrity is already under heavy scrutiny but this would take it to another level.

We are hurtling towards an unwanted first in English football - legal action against a refereeing body. There is precedent in the Belgium league for this with Genk. Perception is everything when an institution requires trust to function - and Howard Webb needs to do something radical to get his referees into line because their unprecedented incompetence and volume of obvious errors this season - even with the backstop of VAR - is creating a very real perception that the integrity and impartiality of PGMOL has been compromised. There is only so long clubs outside the top 6 - and even members of it - will give them the benefit of the doubt before taking matters into their own hands. There is too much at stake these days. It's a ticking time bomb and us hiring Clattenburg is the first big tik.

In the immediate term, I think the club needs to work on the assumption of a default bad faith in terms of the officials given our games. I'm loathe to say it but they have lost the right to our trust and respect and if we're to survive both the points deduction and the handicap already given to us by referees so far this season we need to become everything we despise for the remaining games - dive, get in the ref's face, feign head injuries, roll around, get players in the book, get them sent off, protest everything. Do everything they let the top 6 clubs do without consequence. If they won't approach our games with integrity and good faith why should we? We literally need a team of Ryan Yates.

Howard Webb couldn't escape from a paper bag... in the rain... equipped with scissors, a swiss Army Knife, and a flame-thrower.

 

[wrexhamred]

I noticed the bookings and thought they were nonsense. Consistent with the other late decisions.

There was only one booking for time wasting when Morgan was walking to take the corner. Danilo was booked for putting his hand on Szoboszlai's shoulder who then threw himself to the ground like he'd been hit by a truck

 

[Morpeth]

Well Tierney has officially been dropped for this weekends games.

(He’s on VAR at Arsenal/Brentford though)

https://x.com/skysportsnews/status/1764689478424113276?s=46

 

[Timothy Pope]

There was only one booking for time wasting when Morgan was walking to take the corner. Danilo was booked for putting his hand on Szoboszlai's shoulder who then threw himself to the ground like he'd been hit by a truck

Yet incidents almost identical in the first half went unnoticed. Go figure…