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[Cortez the Killer]

Did anyone see Chris Wilder's comments about the 'agendas' that are there? That Sheff Utd are the worst team in the country and Luton are going for Europe, etc.

It's hard to disagree with the message; that the media, the EPL and the PGMOL have to feed in to the storylines that continue the narrative.


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[Ian Moore Gone Little]

Was it forest fans singing "premier league corrupt as f***" ?.I've heard fans of other teams singing it before but not us.

Had to be - the first asterisk was clearly an East Midlands u and not a south coast a!

 

[T.B.T.]

Can I just bump this thread ahead of our game against Luton?

 

[YellowBelly Red]

Seen players get sent off for less worse challenges. Looked a red straight away in real time, and the replays bear that out.

 

[donny]

Change Liverpool for whoever our opponents are...

 

[Red Dog in a Forest]

It’s immaterial whether we’d have gone on to get a point(s) in this one. This is no longer about games in insolation; it’s about the volume of clear-cut outcomes we’re not getting from referees on and off the field. Nuno is right to ask the question.

I don’t think there’s an overt ‘conspiracy’ against us. But I do suspect that the gap in responsibility between refs on the field and refs in a booth allows vast amounts of subconscious bias to come in, and then refs are susceptible to every media narrative, every club’s reputation and grandeur, every loud noise from a fan base, and we’re coming off very badly from that equation.

My fear is that it’s slowly extinguishing hope in what is a young squad without much leadership. We’re becoming the results we’re getting, whereas I don’t think that was true even a month ago.

I saw that last week with Yates. He looked utterly destroyed. This week I saw it with Dominguez and Williams.

I know this isn’t the time for optimism. So, I’ve asked Brian (the cat), for some answers. He’s an armchair supporter, but he sees the game clearly without my usual analysis, bullet points and statistics.

He looked at me and transmitted the words “Every dog has his day”.

I asked him to clarify. “Have we had our day Brian? Are better days yet to come?”

He lent out his paw and placed it over my heart.

“Me-ow. Me-ow”. Expressing that he understands the depth of pain that this cartel causes.

So, not a clear answer on what our future holds from the animal kingdom, but there are 600 million cats in the world, of which at least 500m are on our side (apparently). The other 100m are divided on our red dog nickname.

Personally, I think the sheer will of 500m cats is enough to see us stay up. 3 points at Luton are guaranteed.

 

[Red Ray's Redlist]

Moder on Williams is a red card all day long.

If it looks like a turd and smells like a turd it probably is. I don’t believe money has changed hands but this is quite obviously corrupt. Probably relates back to that original complaint we made against Knob Jones. Vigilantism running amok in the PGMOL.

 

[ubik]

Omabamidele could, should easily have been sent off for two yellows today.

Poor refereeing is just an excuse today. We set out to be shite with the team selection and we succeeded in being shite. Totally on Forest.

MOTD have just shown that Omabamidele got the ball and it shouldn't have been a free kick (as BBC Sport says he could have got a second yellow for that 'foul' I presume it's the same challenge).

And Moder's foot is off the ground, crunches into Williams' ankle, clear red.

So two big decisions went against us today. Doesn't excuse a poor performance, but our luck needs to turn soon.

 

[Frank Clark’s Tash]

I really am getting towards the stage where I'm wondering what the f***ing point is any more.

 

[Otis Redding]

MOTD have just shown that Omabamidele got the ball and it shouldn't have been a free kick (as BBC Sport says he could have got a second yellow for that 'foul' I presume it's the same challenge).

And Moder's foot is off the ground, crunches into Williams' ankle, clear red.

So two big decisions went against us today. Doesn't excuse a poor performance, but our luck needs to turn soon.

It's not just our luck that needs to turn soon Ubik, also the clear lack of justice.

 

[Timothy Pope]

I really am getting towards the stage where I'm wondering what the f***ing point is any more.

I’m believe that the the NFFC playing and coaching staff have the same mindset.

 

[GOBIAS]

MOTD have just shown that Omabamidele got the ball and it shouldn't have been a free kick (as BBC Sport says he could have got a second yellow for that 'foul' I presume it's the same challenge).

And Moder's foot is off the ground, crunches into Williams' ankle, clear red.

So two big decisions went against us today. Doesn't excuse a poor performance, but our luck needs to turn soon.

I didn’t even bother looking again at either of his bookings. But as I said on the ref thread the first one was soft for an early centre half booking. To have been sent off for those two ‘challenges’ inside 30 mins would have been scandalous in itself. Yet the picture is being painted that we got away with one.

Good old shay Given by the way.

 

[Captain Sinister]

Poor teams and poor coaches seem to have blaming the officiating as their go-to excuse for failing.
It diverts attention from the real reason their teams are failing.
Every game where we have lost or struggled to get a draw sees far more disastrous player errors the ref errors.
When the team loses only because of reffing errors, and the players don’t make the crass errors I might have sympathy.
As it is I am sick and tired of sub-standard performances and crass errors by players being glossed over.
On Sunday the Forest players couldn’t pass or retain the ball, couldn’t convert clear chances, and lost their self-control at key moments.
Yes, there have been bad refereeing decisions. But they are not the root-cause as to why we are flirting so disastrously with relegation.

 

[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

Poor teams and poor coaches seem to have blaming the officiating as their go-to excuse for failing.
It diverts attention from the real reason their teams are failing.
Every game where we have lost or struggled to get a draw sees far more disastrous player errors the ref errors.
When the team loses only because of reffing errors, and the players don’t make the crass errors I might have sympathy.
As it is I am sick and tired of sub-standard performances and crass errors by players being glossed over.
On Sunday the Forest players couldn’t pass or retain the ball, couldn’t convert clear chances, and lost their self-control at key moments.
Yes, there have been bad refereeing decisions. But they are not the root-cause as to why we are flirting so disastrously with relegation.

I disagree, to an extent.

We can clearly point to bad decisions that have cost us points.

Had they not happened.we would be in a much healthier position.

I genuinely can't think of the reverse, bad decisions in our favour that have gifted us points.

Yes, we played badly this weekend and would not necessarily have got anything from the game if the officials could do their job properly but over the season I think we have been on the bad end of the stick too often and it could be the difference that sends us down.

I don't thinks it's a conscious effort or a conspiracy but we have every right to feel aggrieved.

Regardless, we need to put it out of our minds and beat Luton on our own terms.

 

[Browser79]

Exactly. We can all play at putting our big boy pants on and trot out the sermons we got as children about not blaming authority. In a normal year there might be some merit to that, but this isn’t a normal year. That authority has been negligent at best and hostile at worst beyond anything this fanbase has ever seen over a sustained period. We could have been even shitter and wouldn’t be in this mess were it not for what’s playing out in the middle. We’re now also seeing a playing squad looking like going into a death spiral, powered in part by these decisions. Kids that don’t know how to deal with it. It has massively impacted us.

I don’t pick Marinakis for a man that blindly cowers to authority when it’s incompetent. I wouldn’t be surprised if this matter goes further in the summer if things turn out badly.

 

['mist rollin in']

I was at the game and thought it looked horrific, even when the ref gave a yellow, I just thought that VAR would have the easiest decision in the world to ask the ref to look at the monitor. Looking at the replay, it confirmed my initial suspicions that it was a red all day.

On this occasion, I don't think it made a difference to the result; couldn't seeing us scoring at all.

MGW and Nuno were angry after the game, I just wish they'd turn that anger into a winning mentality. I don't buy in to the conspiracy theories, as in there is a hidden agenda against Forest. I do think the bigger clubs get the rub of the green and if that challenge had happened at the Etihad or Anfield, it would have been a red.

Even though there's a lot of negatives at the moment, avoiding relegation is still in our hands, if the players want it enough - and that's the point, I don't think some of these players are putting the effort in.

 

[donny]

I did see something earlier on in the season, where it said a VAR official didn't want to send the ref to the screen, as he'd already 'had a bad game'. I'm sorry, thats the exact circumstance you do. If hes had a bad match, they deserve support from all officials.

There was also mention of getting officials from other countries to do VAR for PL matches. That would be far more entertaining, knowing how well other leagues have used VAR this season.

 

[coops89]

Premier League want battles at the top and bottom. They don’t want us and Everton pulling away from the bottom three.
Can’t believe I’m saying this but I don’t think they wanted City losing at Anfield yesterday either. Keeps the ‘entertainment value’ there with a relegation battle and a three way title race. That’s my conspiracy theory for you anyway

 

[magicwoand]

Poor teams and poor coaches seem to have blaming the officiating as their go-to excuse for failing.
It diverts attention from the real reason their teams are failing.
Every game where we have lost or struggled to get a draw sees far more disastrous player errors the ref errors.
When the team loses only because of reffing errors, and the players don’t make the crass errors I might have sympathy.
As it is I am sick and tired of sub-standard performances and crass errors by players being glossed over.
On Sunday the Forest players couldn’t pass or retain the ball, couldn’t convert clear chances, and lost their self-control at key moments.
Yes, there have been bad refereeing decisions. But they are not the root-cause as to why we are flirting so disastrously with relegation.

Well we could easily have had about 8 extra points if refs had given the correct decisions on the pitch this season regardless of how good or bad you think we've been. So it could easily be a an equally valid reason we are so disastrously close to the relegation zone. No ones arguing we shouldn't be doing better at critical times, but on the other hand the referees aren't doing better at critical times.

 

[Lefkasman]

As an avid follower of Mark Steel, I'm waiting for him to give us a mention.

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[Berkshire Red]

but on the other hand the referees aren't doing better at critical times.

The least you expect is for the ref to do their job properly and for the "playing field" to be level.

But the players need to use it as motivation, and it's not clearly obvious that they are.

 

[oxonred]

To say that even if he had sent the Brighton player off, we wouldn’t have made any difference is a ridiculous statement, as we don’t know what would happened, same as last weeks debacle, we don’t know what would have happened. Nuno had every right to lose his rag over it.

 

[valspoodle]

I was wondering if they would think of something new to do to us this week.

Boringly it was just a routine switch. You know, one week they send off our guy for not fouling someone, then they keep one of the oppsition on for a bad foul.

 

[Frank Clark’s Tash]

The least you expect is for the ref to do their job properly and for the "playing field" to be level.

But the players need to use it as motivation, and it's not clearly obvious that they are.

If they actually even knew the rules it'd be a start

 

[donny]

As an avid follower of Mark Steel, I'm waiting for him to give us a mention.

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Hes not been well recently, but, hes funny as hell