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Standard of Referees (Sponsored by Steven Reid)
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Re: Standard of Referees "Numpty-Hood-Watch"
Utterly useless all night.
Weak when it mattered (Heckingbottom being an embarrassment). Weak on piss taking at free kicks when he actually bothered to give us any.
Weak everywhere else. Take the throw ins where you like, United, that's ok.
Aided and abetted by a useless clown of a linesman on the BC side (how come that phrase types itself from my suggested words
) who either win a competition to be there or forgot to exercise subtlety having been paid.
If he's the best we've got then Jesus H Christ the game's got massive problems.
Utterly useless all night.
Weak when it mattered (Heckingbottom being an embarrassment). Weak on piss taking at free kicks when he actually bothered to give us any.
Weak everywhere else. Take the throw ins where you like, United, that's ok.
Aided and abetted by a useless clown of a linesman on the BC side (how come that phrase types itself from my suggested words
) who either win a competition to be there or forgot to exercise subtlety having been paid.If he's the best we've got then Jesus H Christ the game's got massive problems.
Ashley
Steve Chettle
Absolutely spineless.
Masuka
Jack Burkitt
Can't remember which end of half it was as the whole game was a blur 
but Gibbs-White was down for about a minute during 2 mins of injury time we get a corner after 2 mins and he blows for the end of the half. Shite.
but Gibbs-White was down for about a minute during 2 mins of injury time we get a corner after 2 mins and he blows for the end of the half. Shite.cheapseats
Grenville Morris
I think a big part of the problem is the constant shit talking by managers about refs and officials and how they handle games before and after matches. They are constantly trying to get into refs heads and influence "interpretation". Thats what Heckingbottom spent the last few days doing-and its a disgrace. Today was the sort of day with the sort of challenges that could easily have injured players. Theres no doubt that Johnno was knocked off his game by the rough treatment he got from Robinson and I am equally certain that is Robinson had thought he could get away with it he would happily have "done" Brennan. Refs have to protect players like him otherwise we will be dragged back into the bad old days of English football where most players can't trap a bag of sand but would make good boxers.
Leaving aside the euphoria of the result there was so much not to like about that match, particularly as so much of it was avoidable. Its almost laughable that we now have Heckinbottom calling for the fan to be sent to prison when he knows in his heart of hearts that he was a big part of creating an absolutely poisonous atmosphere for that game. The FA need to do something.
Can't remember which end of half it was as the whole game was a blur
It was at the Bridgford End and he blew the whistle before 2 mins were even up.
I thought the officiating was poor but not unexpected. It wasn’t an easy game to referee but there was a definite favouring. But, I would say that.
Master Yates
John Robertson
What’s laughable about someone calling for someone to go to prison for an unprovoked assault on an innocent bystander?
More laughable to conflate a refereeing performance or a manager’s pre-match comments with a criminal offence.
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Captain Sinister
Senior doom Monger
The poor performances by Premiership refs and linesmen when officiating in Championship games is positive proof that VAR is deskilling them.
I know we will have it at the City Ground next season whether we are in the Prem or the Championship, but I am not looking forward to it.
It is an artifice designed for the TV audience.
I know we will have it at the City Ground next season whether we are in the Prem or the Championship, but I am not looking forward to it.
It is an artifice designed for the TV audience.
valspoodle
Steve Chettle
His rather nonchalant attitude makes him appear rather wishy-washy, but I thought he did well last night. I can think of some refs who would have totally lost control last night.
You can always put forward an argument for a different interpretation of an incident and a different punishment for a perceived offence, but he takes his time and tries to deliver a balanced judgement.
You can always put forward an argument for a different interpretation of an incident and a different punishment for a perceived offence, but he takes his time and tries to deliver a balanced judgement.
Thomas
AMERICAN IDIOT
How he didn’t see the body block on Johnson as a foul is beyond my comprehension.
Red Ray's Redlist
Viv Anderson
Robinson should've seen red last night. The first tackle from behind on Brennan was a cast iron yellow that Oliver ducked. Fleck's cowardly charge/block on Brennan was another example of Oliver abrogating his responsibility to apply the laws of the game.
Then you have the Heckingbottom situation. He spoke to Djed as much as Heckingbottom as if he was an instigator rather than victim.
These Premier League refs play at being above the game, just like Roger dickhead Milford used to. They're there to apply the laws of the game not create a sporting extravaganza for TV. The idea that a player being sent off ruins the spectacle is bollox. If players know they can get away with stuff the do, which is why Brennan was tactically targeted with rough stuff throughout and Oliver did nothing to protect him.
Then you have the Heckingbottom situation. He spoke to Djed as much as Heckingbottom as if he was an instigator rather than victim.
These Premier League refs play at being above the game, just like Roger dickhead Milford used to. They're there to apply the laws of the game not create a sporting extravaganza for TV. The idea that a player being sent off ruins the spectacle is bollox. If players know they can get away with stuff the do, which is why Brennan was tactically targeted with rough stuff throughout and Oliver did nothing to protect him.
PynchonForest
John Robertson
Absolutely spot on. I have a good referee buddy here in my city, and we've discussed at length how officiating is changing due to technology, and where it is leading. ARS, in top flite football, will be a thing of the past shortly. Getting Ars to "hold their flag" was the first step in diminishing their relevance. And now centre refs have the massive crutch of VAR to cover their "mistakes". Refereeing football is headed for a major reliance on technology sooner rather than later. Goal line tech will be extended to the side and end lines. Drones will probably be calling offsides shortly. So, where does this leave the onfield referee? I think, at some point in the next couple of years, the AR will be done and dusted. Whether FIFA/UEFA decides to add onfield officials is probably going to be the key wrinkle. I can see them using anywhere from two to four onfield officials when all is said and done. Two is probably what we will end up with. With an understanding that only the leagues with deep financial resources and access to top level tech will be the only leagues where this "innovation" comes into play. In other words, League two will stil use standard four man crews. The Championship, perhaps not.
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PynchonForest
John Robertson
Oh yeah, I'd give Oliver a five out of ten. He was not good. But this also shows how the best ref in the country is being ruined by the crutch that VAR is. I hvae a friend in my city who just retired from refereeing this year (he was FIFA for about 12 years). AS I have worked with him (in the past dozens of times) before he moved up, those of us around here have watched his game change as MLS implemented VAR. And a few of us have come to teh conclusion VAR makes refs lazy. You no longer have to work that extra little bit to get in a good position to see things "better". VAR will cover your ass so why bother? I am uncertain if there will be some sort of backlash against technology making the decisions in the future. I suppose it is possible. But we are already down a certain rabbit hole and I don't think, for the next 5+ years at least, that any sort of "backlash" will occur.
Ashley
Steve Chettle
We shouldn't really use "Premier League" referees who are used to refereeing with the aid of VAR to referee Championship games that don't have it. Its just a completely different beast without VAR, and as poor as the refs in this league sometimes are I would rather have a referee used to not relying on VAR for games like last night.
Red Ray's Redlist
Viv Anderson
Just remembered the incident where one of their players went down holding their leg and he stopped the game as we won the ball back so effectively on the attack 11 vs 10. No head injury and the lad didn't look that bad. I thought refs were only supposed to stop the game for head injuries, and I'm pretty sure he gave them the ball back from the drop ball. Was very odd to say the least.
valspoodle
Steve Chettle
Just shows that there are so many odd and, frankly, potty rules and 'guidance' these days that the refs must be almost as confused as the average fan. Having to make a decision on the spot in the height of a particularly fraught match, must be very tricky.
TrentEndDr
2 Weeks Away
No refs at the world Cup from England. Don't think anyone is surprised
BryanRoy22
Ian Bowyer
I thought Michael Oliver (who refereed our 2nd leg with Sheff Utd) made it?
TrentEndDr
2 Weeks Away
I stand corrected, Oliver and Taylor somehow made it
Any Time Now
Grenville Morris
Re: Standard of Referees "Numpty-Hood-Watch"
Nice to hear Yatesy saying Oliver made a comment to him during the game about how good the atmosphere was
Nice to hear Yatesy saying Oliver made a comment to him during the game about how good the atmosphere was
Re: Standard of Referees "Numpty-Hood-Watch"
Let us hope Michael Oliver is also complimentary next season when he referees Forest matches.
Let us hope Michael Oliver is also complimentary next season when he referees Forest matches.
Sadly we’ve reached the point where it doesn’t matter
The standard is so poor and declining it makes little difference.
Five PL referees are retiring this season
Nominate five EFL refs for promotion
Better training and organisation is critical
Maintaining control and consistency are important
Clarity on, and sensible laws would also help
Instead we have VAR as the solution
The standard is so poor and declining it makes little difference.
Five PL referees are retiring this season
Nominate five EFL refs for promotion
Better training and organisation is critical
Maintaining control and consistency are important
Clarity on, and sensible laws would also help
Instead we have VAR as the solution
Robert Learnshaw
COYR
I really hope this thread isn't very active after the final whistle next Sunday