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oxonred

oxonred

First Team Squad
I think the ref had good game, except for the coming together of Spence and Robinson, Robinson was kicking Spence when they on the ground and when got up Robinson had Spence around his throat, should have been a red for Robinson.
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
PynchonForest said:
Oliver is easily the best ref in England right now. His feel for the game is fantastic. Watch how little running he has to do. That is what you call reading the game. As for Marriner yesterday, he's a so so ref (by Prem standards) but I thought he did well. Concerning the slip/two footed lunge---I thought Mariner did well to recognize it as a slip, made sure the player wasn't seriously hurt, and then caution him. If the slip had caused a serious injury, I am quite sure he would have sent the guy off. This is thinking on your feet refereeing and I applaud it. Outcomes can often determine sanctions (if the ref is smart enough to juggle that).
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I still think it was a red card tackle, he went in with his feet, and could have seriously hurt the player.

I'm actually not even that convinced that slipping is a valid mitigation either, though I can see the point of those who see it as, I actually see that it may be that you have less control over what you're doing and your tackle than before, which could injure an opponent because of the slip, so when you're going in with two feet as well you need to be more careful not to slip than if you don't.

Saying that, I do think that sending him off then would have had a negative effect on the tie given he'd be suspended for the 2nd leg as well. Like Dawson all those years back.
 
adam09

adam09

Super Koopa
Michael Oliver having an absolute mare at Goodison :LOL:

Doesn't give a penalty when Jansson does a massive shirt pull on Richarlison, Brentford immediately launch the ball and Everton lad brings Brentford striker down - red card.

Then he gives a penalty for Richarlison diving after the slightest touch possible on the leg.

Looks like he had a clear view of the shirt pull but not the one he did give.

This sort of thing is exactly why refs in this country are so bad. He should have to explain why the no penalty for the shirt pull, it's a disgraceful non-decision that cost Everton a player.
 
GOBIAS

GOBIAS

Ian Bowyer
Statto said:
I still think it was a red card tackle, he went in with his feet, and could have seriously hurt the player.

I'm actually not even that convinced that slipping is a valid mitigation either, though I can see the point of those who see it as, I actually see that it may be that you have less control over what you're doing and your tackle than before, which could injure an opponent because of the slip, so when you're going in with two feet as well you need to be more careful not to slip than if you don't.

Saying that, I do think that sending him off then would have had a negative effect on the tie given he'd be suspended for the 2nd leg as well. Like Dawson all those years back.
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I still think it is a red but if as PynchonForest states the ref allowed for the slip and made sure there had been no serious injury I think this is sensible and understandable refereeing we could all get behind. The problem is it isn’t consistent as another ref would just give a red. That could be us on Tuesday
 
adam09

adam09

Super Koopa
It's like that one on Harvey Elliot that caused him a bad injury. Barely even a tackle, completely accidental and never in a million years a red card but because he was hurt badly, the player was sent off.

Is it in the laws that you decide the disciplinary measure based on the serious of the injury that has occured and no matter how it happened?
 
GOBIAS

GOBIAS

Ian Bowyer
adam09 said:
It's like that one on Harvey Elliot that caused him a bad injury. Barely even a tackle, completely accidental and never in a million years a red card but because he was hurt badly, the player was sent off.

Is it in the laws that you decide the disciplinary measure based on the serious of the injury that has occured and no matter how it happened?
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No but I suppose if you are happy that the player has slipped and clattered an opponent and no harm is done. But if leeway can be given.
 
Master Yates

Master Yates

John Robertson
adam09 said:
Michael Oliver having an absolute mare at Goodison :LOL:

Doesn't give a penalty when Jansson does a massive shirt pull on Richarlison, Brentford immediately launch the ball and Everton lad brings Brentford striker down - red card.

Then he gives a penalty for Richarlison diving after the slightest touch possible on the leg.

Looks like he had a clear view of the shirt pull but not the one he did give.

This sort of thing is exactly why refs in this country are so bad. He should have to explain why the no penalty for the shirt pull, it's a disgraceful non-decision that cost Everton a player.
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I disagree. Richarlison had hold of Jansson’s shirt as well, it was 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. Toney went down easily but every ref is sending off Branthwaite for that.

The penalty was a penalty too, can’t see how it isn’t to be fair.

Then Rondon knew he was off soon as he made the daft tackle.

He got all the major decisions right for me.


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Ricochet

Ricochet

Jack Burkitt
Richarlison although talented is a diving bastard who falls over for no reason, I just struggle to watch him every time he goes down he holds his head so the game stops. I’d give him a straight red for being a twat whose spoiling a great game.
 
adam09

adam09

Super Koopa
Yeah I can’t stand Richarlison either, he dived for the penalty later on. I don’t think he did have Jansson’s shirt. He had his arm had but Jansson has pulled his shirt so much you can see his torso, which is ridiculous.

I would bet money Oliver would have given a free kick if it was outside the box.

I know there is a fine line especially in this country because it’s a contact sport and we like some contact but not too much but I think that’s where a lot of refs struggle. They don’t seem to understand the game and how much or what kind of contact actually affects a player and when they are having them on.

And of course it’s easier watching on tv and with replays but when you see some where the ref is looking straight at it from 10 yards away, it’s some times baffling.
 
PynchonForest

PynchonForest

John Robertson
adam09 said:
It's like that one on Harvey Elliot that caused him a bad injury. Barely even a tackle, completely accidental and never in a million years a red card but because he was hurt badly, the player was sent off.

Is it in the laws that you decide the disciplinary measure based on the serious of the injury that has occured and no matter how it happened?
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No. But a smart ref will assess damage (at times) before sanctioning the fouler. When something happens that makes me think red, I almost always take a few seconds to do a quick juggle and decide what I am going to do. If I can get out of sending someone off, I will almost always lean in that direction. If it's a clear and obvious situation, then I just react and do what needs to be done.
 
Bonalair

Bonalair

John Robertson
PynchonForest said:
No. But a smart ref will assess damage (at times) before sanctioning the fouler. When something happens that makes me think red, I almost always take a few seconds to do a quick juggle and decide what I am going to do. If I can get out of sending someone off, I will almost always lean in that direction. If it's a clear and obvious situation, then I just react and do what needs to be done.
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If it’s not in the rules don’t do it. You can’t decide a potentially leg breaking tackle is ok because the guy didn’t get hurt
 
PynchonForest

PynchonForest

John Robertson
Bonalair said:
If it’s not in the rules don’t do it. You can’t decide a potentially leg breaking tackle is ok because the guy didn’t get hurt
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Oh of course. I've sent guys off who didn't touch the guy. If some guy leaps out of the way of a potential leg breaker that doesn't make it yellow. But some challenges are "orange" and this is when I do that juggle and, depending upon the temperature of the game, the type of player etc.
 
Suspect Device

Suspect Device

Youth Team
Re: Standard of Referees "Numpty-Hood-Watch"

Sat in Premier Inn in Plymouth.
A tad anxious.
COME ON YOU REDS.
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Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
I thought he was pretty good.

He needed to protect players more by dishing out more cards but he was consistent for both sides.
 
GOBIAS

GOBIAS

Ian Bowyer
I don’t think he was change the game dog shit. I got the impression he decided to let the championship physicality roll but first half could have spilled over. Robinson could have been booked 4 times. The rake down BJ’s Achilles was a bad one, his dive was shocking. Could have been a game changing dive and Oliver knew it. I don’t think another player should be booked again for diving after he got away with that.
 
Lee

Lee

Lurker of shadows
Thought the yellow for Shitebottom was a bad call if i'm honest.

Fleck was allowed the hack people down at will.

Disappointing but honestly i expect very little from referees at the moment.
 
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