Snatchday 1: Nottingham Forest Vs the PGMOL

[Robertson]

Also it is only recently, probably back end of last season and certainly the first half of this season, that penalties like Toffolo’s certainly have been given. At that time a player running at a player and enacting contact and going down. Even LOB was debatable by the standards of two years ago not now.

Yeah on the one hand you have people saying its all fine actually because the “threshold” has changed during this season. And then also bringing up incidents that happened two years ago, in a different league. Make your minds up.

 

[gedlingred]

And where has all this nonsense about victims come from?

Forest were the victim on Sunday.

That doesn't mean we've got a victim mentality.

That doesn't mean we don't appreciate that other clubs have been victims of the same thing, or that we have not benefitted when others have been victims.

And nobody died and we'll move on.

But are we not to call this out because of fears of being accused of victim mentality?

That's border line victim shaming.

 

[youreds1986]

Not necessary. The principle of FFP is that we have benefitted from breaking the rules and have gained more points because of it, Hence the deduction.

And we know the 'principle' of FFP is flawed.

But we still broke the rules. And that's stil why we are four points closer to relegation

 

[wrexhamred]

And where has all this nonsense about victims come from?

Forest were the victim on Sunday.

That doesn't mean we've got a victim mentality.

That doesn't mean we don't appreciate that other clubs have been victims of the same thing, or that we have not benefitted when others have been victims.

And nobody died and we'll move on.

But are we not to call this out because of fears of being accused of victim mentality?

That's border line victim shaming.

It's because the PGMOL & the media have used the "Are you calling me a liar" tactic that liars use to flip an argument. It instantly turns the argument to being about something other than the real issue.....

 

[Red Ray's Redlist]

Why is inappropriate? You have implied bias by saying its inappropriate.

You're being totally disingenuous here.
Unconscious bias is not corruption. The point is the PGMOL ignored the obvious point Forest were making but were not allowed to say. And then look at the results and say Forest were wrong.

At least Atwell has an excuse for being so biased, what was Taylor's excuse?

By the way the original tweet was both badly thought out and badly worded so that those with an axe to grind against the club can argue we stated Atwell is corrupt. But it doesn't say that.

 

[Red Ray's Redlist]

I would expect that refs would get found out quite quickly if they we incapable

Atwell, Taylor, Jones, Tierney!?!

 

[Red Ray's Redlist]

The thing that is really starting to get my goat about this whole thing is all those knobs who have decided the 2 penalty appeals Uddersfield had in the playoff final were stonewall. An example of history reinventing itself if ever I saw it. One was a blatant dive and for the other contact was engineered.

 

[enlightened]

If that was a penalty for Spurs second goal… and Gary Neville and the VAR thought it was … the why did they not think the one against Reyna was! They make it up every f***ing week.


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[EmmersonForest4]

I can see why people are annoyed with VAR. That Tottenham one for me is never a penalty but if that is given people will quite rightly say what about Reyna. However this is the problem with football there is so much subjectivity and grey in the game. You can show one incident to 20 people and they will all have different opinions.

 

[Frank Clark’s Tash]

If that was a penalty for Spurs second goal… and Gary Neville and the VAR thought it was … the why did they not think the one against Reyna was! They make it up every f***ing week.


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Maybe the threshold has changed again since then. It's not as if anyone mentioned that it had first time around either.

 

[Robertson]

He kicked him in the balls. I think it was a penalty.

 

[Frank Clark’s Tash]

He kicked him in the balls. I think it was a penalty.

He got the balls, not the man.

 

[Strummer]

It was perhaps the most blatant example of kicking someone up the arse since Father Ted kicked Bishop Brennan up the arse.

 

[Red Ray's Redlist]

I can see why people are annoyed with VAR. That Tottenham one for me is never a penalty but if that is given people will quite rightly say what about Reyna. However this is the problem with football there is so much subjectivity and grey in the game. You can show one incident to 20 people and they will all have different opinions.

WTF - blatant penalty. Leathers the player without even getting close to the ball. You're not allowed to just randomly kick people.....unless they play for Forest of course.

 

[vertigored]

WTF - blatant penalty. Leathers the player without even getting close to the ball. You're not allowed to just randomly kick people.....unless they play for Forest of course.

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[garibaldi]

Good ref today. Fell for Walker's and Grealish's dives, but solid otherwise.

 

[GOBIAS]

The thing that is really starting to get my goat about this whole thing is all those knobs who have decided the 2 penalty appeals Uddersfield had in the playoff final were stonewall. An example of history reinventing itself if ever I saw it. One was a blatant dive and for the other contact was engineered.

And it was a time when those things weren’t routinely given like they have been at some points in the last year.

 

[GOBIAS]

Good ref today. Fell for Walker's and Grealish's dives, but solid otherwise.

Yeah thought he was pretty good. You didn’t really notice him which is how it should be.

 

[Red-footed Booby]

I thought we were supposed to get the VAR audio today?

 

[chaospunx]

Well we have definitely planted a seed of doubt between fans of other clubs Jim White was getting very annoyed this morning of some calls calling corruption and they weren't from Forest fans f*** em I say it may not be corrupt but it's there incompetent that has brought the doubt

 

[Strummer]

Well we have definitely planted a seed of doubt between fans of other clubs Jim White was getting very annoyed this morning of some calls calling corruption and they weren't from Forest fans f*** em I say it may not be corrupt but it's there incompetent that has brought the doubt

I don’t know much about seeds of doubt, but I suspect many of us would like the opportunity to plant Jim White.

 

[chaospunx]

I don’t know much about seeds of doubt, but I suspect many of us would like the opportunity to plant Jim White.

Absolutely

 

[vertigored]

I thought we were supposed to get the VAR audio today?

Got any more of those VAR audios?

 

[donny]

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Got any more of those VAR audios?

Dear Mr Marinakis,

Have 4 points back.

Please let me see my children again.

Love Howard Webb...

 

[Redemption]

EPL independent key match incidents panel says only 1 VAR error in match against Everton

Panel: Only one VAR error in disputed Forest game

The Premier League's Independent Key Match Incidents Panel has ruled that there was only one VAR error of three incidents Nottingham Forest complained about following their controversial 2-0 defeat at Everton on April 20.

www.espn.com