Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
Hurrah - I'll add him to my imaginary list of famous reds!
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Referee analyst ... really ?
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Grenville Morris
My old man used to play for Eastwood, though he's neither large nor serpentine.
Redemption
One less gobshite...
There's generally a weird construct from ex-footballers towards referees.
I was just listening to Forest Focus and Birtles was giving it the "VAR needs to have an explayer in the room" line. he justifies this with the widely repeated trope/cliche that Referees have never played the game professionally.
I always find it funny that no one ever says to players - current and former - to shut up about referees because they've never refereed professionally.
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
That's a big dollop of whataboutery. To call it a trope/cliche is to diminish it's validity without any argument against it.
I fully agree with birtles on this and I've been saying it since the beginning of VAR. It's blindingly obvious that the people in Stockley have never kicked a ball in anger, therefore they have zero understanding of the nuances in how a touch does/doesn't affect you, or the deliberate/accidental actions of players etc.
Redemption
One less gobshite...
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
What's that got to do with anything whatsoever?
ex-footballer denies cliche shock
It doesn't become a cliche just because redemption says it so and as I pointed out I've said this long before you declared it cliche.
Even if it were you've still not given any reasonable arrangement against it other than to undermine it without substance
Redemption
One less gobshite...
It's a cliche. It's been overused to the point of being meaningless. That's the definition of a cliche, btw.
It's a trope, just uttering the magic words "ex-player" confers some special, elevated, figurative meaning.
Is it all ex-players that would have this insight? Or is it just some?
They're rhetorical questions, btw, so not looking for an answer.
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
Well add me to the list of folk who think it would be good to have an ex-pro in the VAR room, cliche or not. I'd like more refs that have played too, never mind VAR.
Clattenburg apparently agrees with that cliché too, or something like it, in that he believes there's a big difference between quality of refs who have an haven't played the game.
Clattenburg apparently agrees with that cliché too, or something like it, in that he believes there's a big difference between quality of refs who have an haven't played the game.
It's Baggio
John Robertson
Despite playing the game, ex-Pro pundit's frequently chat absolute nonsense on refereeing decisions when given the opportunity.
Personally I'd bin VAR and ban broadcasters from covering refereeing decisions. I'm absolutely bored of it now, just accept you'll win some & you'll lose some.
Personally I'd bin VAR and ban broadcasters from covering refereeing decisions. I'm absolutely bored of it now, just accept you'll win some & you'll lose some.
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
Who says it's been overused?
Once again you add no valid reason, you just seek to undermine without substance.
Thank you for the English lesson by the way, obviously you must have thought I'd made it into my 40's without understanding what cliche meant. Maybe you just thought I'm another thick footballer - hey look, another cliche.
Talking of special elevated figures, have you ever considered that you constantly come across as, condescending (that means to treat someone as though you are more important and intelligent)?
I've seen you time and again attempt to belittle people over a period of time with constant arrogance.
I consider you a member with good content but that is persistently overshadowed by your patronising manner.
Perhaps time for some reflection? I'm not looking for an answer, it's rhetorical.
Redemption
One less gobshite...
It seems to me that every week I hear at least 1 ex-player, if not more, who is a pundit on TV or Radio or on a blog, say things like "I don't understand the laws of the game" and similar. They mean it. It's true.
The epitome of this is occasions on Match of the Day, when they show a law they're referring to or the rules of VAR etc and the pundits are surprised at what is written and unable to pick it apart.
That is widespread across football.
The people who play the game from the grass-roots to the elite level and people who played, coached and managed at the elite level. All baffled by the Laws of the game.
And when there's a subjective debate about an incident, there often isn't a consensus. You might get a consensus on one programme, but not another. But generally, there is a lack of agreement about what constitutes fouls even among ex-players.
This might be because the way the laws have been developed, especially in the last 2 decades, have become a bit arcane and maybe even a little byzantine. That is a different discussion, which probably doesn't get resolved because there's a player in the room.
The epitome of this is occasions on Match of the Day, when they show a law they're referring to or the rules of VAR etc and the pundits are surprised at what is written and unable to pick it apart.
That is widespread across football.
The people who play the game from the grass-roots to the elite level and people who played, coached and managed at the elite level. All baffled by the Laws of the game.
And when there's a subjective debate about an incident, there often isn't a consensus. You might get a consensus on one programme, but not another. But generally, there is a lack of agreement about what constitutes fouls even among ex-players.
This might be because the way the laws have been developed, especially in the last 2 decades, have become a bit arcane and maybe even a little byzantine. That is a different discussion, which probably doesn't get resolved because there's a player in the room.
Redemption
One less gobshite...
I'm saying it's been overused because, like many on this forum, you included no doubt, consume a lot of football and its analysis and it's been an ever-present panacea to the ails of refereeing as far back as I can remember.
I've been hearing the same thing said since Saint and Greavsy and after that Alan Hansen and Mark Lawrenson used to bore us with the same stuff. And no doubt pundits before them.
It's an opinion. On a forum.
The rest of your post:
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
Point proven, cheersI'm saying it's been overused because, like many on this forum, you included no doubt, consume a lot of football and its analysis and it's been an ever-present panacea to the ails of refereeing as far back as I can remember.
I've been hearing the same thing said since Saint and Greavsy and after that Alan Hansen and Mark Lawrenson used to bore us with the same stuff. And no doubt pundits before them.
It's an opinion. On a forum.
The rest of your post:
PynchonForest
John Robertson
I think ex players would be a good addition to VAR BUT only if they got 100% on a referee level exam at a decent level (aka not entry level). Listening to players opine on certain things that happen has absolutely nothing to do with the language in the lawbook. And the language in the lawbook is absolutely key. But also understanding the game is essential. You need to have a handle on both. Not just one, or the other. Intent has nothing to do with fouls, quite often. It's about outcomes, not whether someone intended to do something. I don't try and crawl into a player's head and understand what they did. I just deal with what happened, and what the appropriate sanction is.
Timothy Pope
I know that Nuno that I know that Nuno that I know
What if the player intentionally does a foul throw?
Redemption
One less gobshite...
And this is probably the knub if the issue... as the ex-footballer wisdom comes with a knowing wink about what the perp is thinking.
Bobby The Brain
Weasel
I’m still working on the “Who does Notcher think is a fat head” case.
No new leads to report.
No new leads to report.
PynchonForest
John Robertson
I mean, don't get me wrong, a reasonable percentage of the time you know exactly what a guy is doing. But some instances are maybe intentional maybe not. I talked to a guy the other day who used to play for FC Edmonton about a red card he took a few years ago where he absolutely levelled a guy at midfield. The guy was concussed. I was sure it was payback for something. IT certainly looked that way. I asked him about it and he said he actually didn't see the guy until the last second---that he had his eye on the ball and some players obscured his vision when he went for it, and suddenly bam! So what looked a certain way from a video was completely different from what actually happened and was intended.
Annesleyred
Youth Team
Apparently Barcelona have always had one, but I say scrap VAR and everyone will save money
IvorThirst
Youth Team
Clattenburg will be the 2nd Ref on the payroll in our history after Jon Moss
Agent Penguin
Geoff Thomas
Anderlecht had a good one
News just in!
Following a review of Saturday's game Mark Clattenburg has agreed to change Felipe's yellow card to a red!
Following a review of Saturday's game Mark Clattenburg has agreed to change Felipe's yellow card to a red!
Captain Sinister
Senior doom Monger
And the prisons are full of innocent men.