Master Yates
John Robertson
He was so bad in that game, like they’d pulled someone from the crowd to play up front.
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Rafa IS NOT Mir here anymore!
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He was so bad in that game, like they’d pulled someone from the crowd to play up front.
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Master Yates
John Robertson
And the goalie to stand in no man’s land for some unknown reason
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Francis Benali (on loan)
Guest
In his defence, like Walker, players that came in for those games where Lamouchi rested the best players - Millwall, Wigan, Charlton.
Too many changes from the side that was doing well. With the key players out ot was like a Forest cup team and we lose nearly all those. Difficult for for fringe players looking to stake a claim if they only get their chance in a much worse side that the one the player with the shirt is performing in.
Too many changes from the side that was doing well. With the key players out ot was like a Forest cup team and we lose nearly all those. Difficult for for fringe players looking to stake a claim if they only get their chance in a much worse side that the one the player with the shirt is performing in.
Master Yates
John Robertson
True, but he could’ve at least looked like he’d seen a football before, let alone played it professionally.
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Statto
Free Kick Specialist
Yes, but on the other hand the system we've played for the last 3-4 years doesn't really favour strikers does it?
Most of last season was down to Lolley and Cash linking up down the right, effectively 2 wingers, with an equal outlet of Yuri and Sammy down the other side so they couldn't double up too much, packing the middle with hard work (Watson, Yates, Sow) and Grabban getting on the end of it.
1 player leaves, the other has a bad injury, 2 of them lose form and another spends most of the time injured too. Back to playing fringe players which we did last season for those games and our squad players were arguably better this, but still not really enough.
Mir or Walker were never going to get on in that team, arguably even if they were the only change, because it was too much set up on coincidence and actually did surprisingly well to stay as high as it did.
I do agree Mir is shit though, All of the decent goals he's scored appear to be crap defending, and even YT highlights made Robbie Findley look good.
Most of last season was down to Lolley and Cash linking up down the right, effectively 2 wingers, with an equal outlet of Yuri and Sammy down the other side so they couldn't double up too much, packing the middle with hard work (Watson, Yates, Sow) and Grabban getting on the end of it.
1 player leaves, the other has a bad injury, 2 of them lose form and another spends most of the time injured too. Back to playing fringe players which we did last season for those games and our squad players were arguably better this, but still not really enough.
Mir or Walker were never going to get on in that team, arguably even if they were the only change, because it was too much set up on coincidence and actually did surprisingly well to stay as high as it did.
I do agree Mir is shit though, All of the decent goals he's scored appear to be crap defending, and even YT highlights made Robbie Findley look good.
Agent Penguin
Geoff Thomas
Just scored a hat trick at the olympics, coming on as sub with 30 min to go
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
It's good that we gave him a year here to make all his f*** ups, so that he can now go on to be a good player and benefit Wolves. :facepalm:
Let’s be nice please.
Shearstone
Misses the champ
He's linked with a move to Atletico Madrid. That will be one hell of a change in fortune for the lad.
If that’s the case, I’d probably trust the judgement of Diego Simeone on that topic. He’s not often wrong on a player, especially when looking for proper grafters who fit into the way that El Cholo wants to play football.
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Aye, the hype's building around him, this was a while back......
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/wolves-transfer-news-rafa-mir-19761697
24 now so starting to peak. A good example of why to me you give players like Yates another few years.
It's taken Mir a long time to get going, and he was a total liability for us. Whatever potential some of these kids have it's a total waste of time us training them up unless they're gonna stay here, and it also makes no sense to not give those players of our own who are already here at least a chance too.
It's still baffling that we operated the other way around in recent years.
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Haych
John Robertson
Crazy considering I thought he was a donkey in his limited appearances here.
I do think Simeone knows slightly more than me about the game mind.
I would suggest that El Cholo knows more about the game than this entire forum combined!
DizzyBala
Jack Armstrong
Just because he's starting to show something does not mean we were wrong for not trying harder with him.
It did not work with him at Forest for what ever reason but it's a results business.
He did not perform well enough in the opportunities given to justify more opportunities.
Had he been our player then naturally, it would have made more sense to give him time but there was a finite period where he'd eventually go back to Wolves.
You don't sign loan players for the sake of it, either they are to make your team better or plug holes in your squad.
Mir was awful for us.
For me, the frustration of him playing better now is on him as a player than us as a club.
It did not work with him at Forest for what ever reason but it's a results business.
He did not perform well enough in the opportunities given to justify more opportunities.
Had he been our player then naturally, it would have made more sense to give him time but there was a finite period where he'd eventually go back to Wolves.
You don't sign loan players for the sake of it, either they are to make your team better or plug holes in your squad.
Mir was awful for us.
For me, the frustration of him playing better now is on him as a player than us as a club.
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Francis Benali (on loan)
Guest
Great thread now this one, reading back.
Mir played in 11 games for us mainly as a sub, it's quite possible and tbh highly likely that he wasn't that good because we never gave him a chance.
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Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Why should we though? He was only here for a year and should have been able to step straight in Grabban's boots after 4 or 5 games. He wasn't here as a long term player.
And we dropped points when we started Mir like losing to Wigan 1-0......
https://www.nottinghamforest.news/2019/10/21/nottingham-forest-wigan-rafa-mir/
He got another start against Milwall, and we were 2-0 down until Sabri took him off for Grabban, who scored 2 to nab us a draw. That was Dec 10th, almost halfway through the season.
He was nowhere near ready for the role we required him for and, had he got the chances we'd have just dropped more points from missing Grabban. If anything his signing is IMO one of the biggest reasons we missed out on the playoffs, for the points dropped in those games mention. Two fairly winnable games in which a capable cover player should have been able to step in.
Mir is a prime example of an awful loan not up to the task in hand. A recommended talent with no real context given to the recommendation. He might go on to be a brilliant player, but a 2 year old Maradonna is no good to us if he's gone by the time he's 3.
f*** all these piss-pot, not-ready loans like him, Muric & Semedo. They cost us a playoff place and will now only go on to benefit their parent clubs at our loss. We've been used worse than a Shirebrook whore.
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Rzar
Bob McKinlay
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
I still can't believe folk were defending him when he was here. Muric, Semedo and Mir are 3 of the main reasons we didn't make the playoffs.
"How dare you rate recruitment ONLY 6/10 Alf!!!
I want a slap for being that generous.
"How dare you rate recruitment ONLY 6/10 Alf!!!
I want a slap for being that generous.
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adam09
Super Koopa
f***ing up away at Derby when we had the win, playing for a 0-0 from the start away at Barnsley and capitulating against Stoke are why we didn't make the playoffs. Not a few bit part players.
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
We'd have had an extra 6-10pts in the back if not for fluffs from the backup players. No idea how Grabban who scored 20 cops the blame for his stand in scoring 0, and looking so limp that the likes of Wigan don't even have to think about defending.
It's a squad game and ours were a strongish first 11, woeful depth. Grabban & co should have been fresher for the post Covid run-in, coz Mir & the crap loans should have been able to stand in more regularly against the crapper sides IMO.
Not to mention how bollocksed Lolley's been ever since that season ran him into the ground. Again, no really substantial backup.
I'd suggest those loans not only cost us a playoff chance, but played a huge part in nackering out key lads like Grabs & Lolley for last season too.
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adam09
Super Koopa
You can say all that but then I don't think any of it factors into Worrall giving away a free kick in the last minute v Derby, which cost us 2 points.
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
It makes that free kick, and the subsequent points dropped, irrelevant if we already have enough in the bag.
adam09
Super Koopa
It’s Ifs and buts but personally I don’t think we were ever really that good anyway and shithoused a lot of points to get us into that position in the first place.
I do agree the depth wasn’t there and I didn’t rate Semedo at all but I did think Mir looked like he had something, as have a few other players who didn’t really get a chance.
Problem is, as you say, a loan is pointless unless they are going to hit the ground running and be a main player for the season. No point loaning bit part players.
Master Yates
John Robertson
Mir could go on to win the ballon d’or and it wouldn’t change the fact that when he was here he looked like he’d never seen a football before, let alone played it.
This thread should be locked. It’s pointless and circular
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This thread should be locked. It’s pointless and circular
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