Captain Sinister
Senior doom Monger
The incident was towards the end of the Luton game, and the cross came in from the left, provided as I recall by Elanga.
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Matthew Charles Turner
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PynchonForest
John Robertson
Dropping a keeper after one clanger is ludicrous. Particularly as the clanger didn't cost us anything (ie we were never going to come back and draw that game). Ederson and Allison have made their fair share over the years. As has any number one for any club in any league. As for who is at fault, if Turner called Toffs off, it's on him. IF he did not, it's on Toffs for suddenly pulling out. The coaching staff would have heard the shout (or non shout) , so, ultimately, they know. I think the bigger concern (defensively) should be Aurier. A massive error against Luton, and he somehow managed to pull another ridiculous moment out late in the game yesterday that we somehow were not punished on. And both his errors were ridiculous. I like Serge but holy shit whatever he is thinking he needs to get his head straight quickly.
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
So if he comes in, flaps at everything and we lose 7-1 like when Norwich brought that keeper in that time, then what?
You're asking for something on the "not Turner" basis without knowing the capability of the alternative.
EmmersonForest4
Steve Chettle
Thats a silly argument though as we can never drop Turner as none of us know what the alternative is truly like. In fairness we are not privy to training but from everything else I have seen I dont rate Turner that highly. Hell be okay for the season but he certainly isnt a game changer. From a fans persepctive Id say give Vlad a go but if his training is shite than keep Turner in.
Omar Devone Little
Mr Realistic
valspoodle
Steve Chettle
When you're in that situation, it's not unknown for someone to shout, then miss the ball, which might account for the defenders reaction after the ball went into the net.
It's also not unknown for two to shout at once when in that sort of no man's land situation, so what then?
Only Turner knows why he was there.
It's also not unknown for two to shout at once when in that sort of no man's land situation, so what then?
Only Turner knows why he was there.
Monkman
Grenville Morris
To the "Turner in" camp, when do you give the guy with CL experience a chance? When Turner makes 4 bad mistakes? 6?
EmmersonForest4
Steve Chettle
Exactly from a fans perspective I can toally understand people asking to give Vlad a chance. However none of us are privy to his training. Coops may have seen him and not fancied him. Anyway Id probably say dont drop Turner for the liverpool one because we were poor all over. However next mistake when a game is close that costs us points id say drop him.
PynchonForest
John Robertson
This is sensible. Btw, I have a Benfica fan friend here and I asked him about Vlachodimos and he was indifferent---said he was ok, can be excellent at times, and in other moments very dodgy. WE have to bear in mind that Turner has had ten games behind a new set of defenders, and having pristine communication isn't something that usually happens in a handful of games.
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
That's not really what I'm saying, effectively it's asking them (or opining that they should) to drop a player who we know is largely solid, but has made the odd mistake, in favour of a player who you haven't seen play and know nothing about, on the basis that the alternative couldn't be worse.
I'd rather suggest that people who haven't seen OV play should trust the decision of the manager and the coaching staff regarding who does.
PynchonForest
John Robertson
I actually asked another Benfica fan (locally) about Vlach and he is a big fan (this guy is a very good local coach, quite analytical) and he says the only dodgy aspect to Vlach is he tries to cheat with his positioning sometimes, but he makes up for it with top athleticism. HE is actually surprised a bigger club didn't buy him. AS I rate this guys knowledge more than the first guy I asked, we may see Vlach very soon.
sammy the snake
Jack Armstrong
I’m a big fan of Turner, he’s not put a foot wrong other than against Liverpool, but Harry Toff didn’t help… but I’m also a big fan of Toffolo.. shit happens lol
Turner is a very athletic and confident keeper and I can’t see him being dropped. Cooper will stick with him unless he’s forced to change due to fatigue and that could happen in Jan. To have such high quality keepers is gold in the prem
Turner is a very athletic and confident keeper and I can’t see him being dropped. Cooper will stick with him unless he’s forced to change due to fatigue and that could happen in Jan. To have such high quality keepers is gold in the prem
Red In Scotland
First Team Squad
I just miss Samba.
Red Ray's Redlist
Viv Anderson
I like both players but don't rate either if that makes sense. Toff seems like a proper character and really makes the most of the talent he's got. Decent going forward but poor one on one. Turner likewise gives it his all, and as a late starter has progressed incredibly well. But his decision making is really poor and his passing is average at best.
On the goal, the biggest issue for me is that Turner doesn't seem to realise there is a covering defender. If he stays in the box Toff just nods it back to him. Everything else is just hot air because that is such a basic mistake.
Monkman
Grenville Morris
Agree. Also not sure what Turner planned to do if he'd had a free run at it. Not sure he'd have got there in time to head it on the full, so did he think he could volley it? Trap it on the half volley? Terrible decision to come out in the first place as you say.
Barry
Where's me hammer?
You can't blame Toff, the keeper clearly shouted and the keeper can see the whole of the pitch to make the call.
Even in Kids football you are taught if the keeper shouts you leave.
Basic and poor, next up the Greek and if he's wank, back in goes Turner.
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Even in Kids football you are taught if the keeper shouts you leave.
Basic and poor, next up the Greek and if he's wank, back in goes Turner.
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Stocky Red
First Team Squad
I’d agree about the SC and his team being able to compare Turner and Vlad side by side in training on a daily basis. Which leads me to conclude that if Turner keeps his place on Sunday then we really are screwed
Listen 'ere young man
Jack Burkitt
Can see that way of thinking but that begs the question why go for the Greek if he was of comparable quality to Turner, unless that's the level they were happy with.
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Omar Devone Little
Mr Realistic
Definitely. Turner must've shouted for it, if he didn't that's even more worrying.
Also from Toff's point of view if the keeper is coming out like that then you're firstly surprised, then probably worried then you're going to get wiped out if you're in the way. Having to deal with Salah running onto the ball is bad enough without your keeper doing a kamikaze run.
If you're coming out of the box as a keeper then you better make sure you get something (legal) on it.
If Turner starts against Villa then I'll be very concerned.
Omar Devone Little
Mr Realistic
If the Greek was that good surely he'd have come straight in. That's what I don't get. Cooper didn't hesitate in putting Lodi, Sangare, CHO or a few others. They signed and went straight in as Cooper clearly saw them as better than what we had.
The whole situation is concerning to be honest. Can't help but think that we've gone for quantity over quality after being burnt last season with the Hendo injury.
REDDERS78
Jack Armstrong
See again, you've devised an entire negative scenario based on a goalkeeper that's made some fantastic saves this season, making one mistake, so lets break it down.
You could break every single point you make up like this because they all follow the same path. They start with an unfound or valid opinion, and lead to a scenario that ends badly, if the scenario doesn't end badly in reality you ignore it and move on to the next, and repeat. I don't believe its possible for any human being to function like this in real life, do you avoid going to the shops in case you get abducted by aliens? Or do you just change when you get on the internet? That is the basis on which you get labelled a troll.
The only question I have for you really is, don't you ever get bored of it?
Why? What would have been the point in signing Turner as our main keeper and putting him on the bench? It would be more worrying had we done that than the other way around surely? You would perhaps have a point were turner costing us points every week, but he isnt. This is where your point starts and should end, yet you've now planted the seed for the below.
They are better though, you seem to forget that Turner was also signed this season, are we just going to drop every player after 1 mistake. Perhaps Coopers sees something in training that you don't see on Sky Sports? Perhaps he's committed at this point to his decision of Turner at Number 1, its hardly revolutionary for a manager to stick by a player is it? Especially a goalkeeper. If Cooper makes a change then I'll support it, he knows more than me, and you for that matter.
There's nothing remotely "concerning" at all. We needed 2 keepers, what's this quantity you speak of? To suggest both are somewhat below standard when a) One has kept us in games this season and made one blunder and b) We've not seen play yet, for the above reasons is not even worth the breath it would take to say it.
You could break every single point you make up like this because they all follow the same path. They start with an unfound or valid opinion, and lead to a scenario that ends badly, if the scenario doesn't end badly in reality you ignore it and move on to the next, and repeat. I don't believe its possible for any human being to function like this in real life, do you avoid going to the shops in case you get abducted by aliens? Or do you just change when you get on the internet? That is the basis on which you get labelled a troll.
The only question I have for you really is, don't you ever get bored of it?
Col Steve Austin
First Team Squad
The keeper market is a tough one. Hendo got injured almost straight away so we clearly went a better route than that. ManUre spent £50m on a keeper with "champions league pedigree" and he looks worse than Turner.
I do wonder whether Odysseus the Greek was pressed by the owners, but having two "unknowns" does reduce the risk - at least we had an alternative in case Turner did flop.
Ideally we'll use the Arsenal relationship to buy Ramsdale at the end of the season when he's tired of warming Raya's bench.
Monkman
Grenville Morris
Exactly (@Redders), we've somehow snowballed catastrophically from "we've got a very decent keeper playing but now he's made a couple of mistakes it's time to give the other reputationally very decent keeper a try" to "if the guy waiting in the wings is EVEN WORSE THAN THE DISASTER WE HAVE PLAYING CURRENTLY THEN WE'RE ALL DOOMED!!!". Chill.
Monkman
Grenville Morris
And on the quantity thing - what were we supposed to do, stick with Hennessey or Horvath? I think most of the forum will agree with you Omar that they aren't good enough. I can only imagine how much you'd be slating the club if we hadn't bought two decent keepers.