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Luke Dowling - DOF

Alf-engelos Mindminackers

The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
I've always been skeptical about the DOF structure, but it's even more bizare if they're constantly changing for whatever reason.

The idea that we're gonna have some bloke in place to oversee managers change whilst retaining a stylistic identity has been proven false twice in a short period now. What's the point? If they're as interchangeable as managers, it's a waste of time.

Good riddance. Employ a good manager, back that manager. That's all that's needed. Spend Dowlings wage on some good scouts instead.
 

GOBIAS

Ian Bowyer
I've always been skeptical about the DOF structure, but it's even more bizare if they're constantly changing for whatever reason.

The idea that we're gonna have some bloke in place to oversee managers change whilst retaining a stylistic identity has been proven false twice in a short period now. What's the point? If they're as interchangeable as managers, it's a waste of time.

Good riddance. Employ a good manager, back that manager. That's all that's needed. Spend Dowlings wage on some good scouts instead.

Or better pie fillings
 

GOBIAS

Ian Bowyer
Probably got sick of being hung upside down over a balcony after every disagreement with the big man or vrzentos
 

MASE

Up-Front
I've always been skeptical about the DOF structure, but it's even more bizare if they're constantly changing for whatever reason.

The idea that we're gonna have some bloke in place to oversee managers change whilst retaining a stylistic identity has been proven false twice in a short period now. What's the point? If they're as interchangeable as managers, it's a waste of time.

Good riddance. Employ a good manager, back that manager. That's all that's needed. Spend Dowlings wage on some good scouts instead.

Agree, never been convinced by a DOF structure at Karankas Forest anyway. He's come in & set his own tone with the playing style, so you'd assume the way to go is for Karanka to staff it too. Is there much left for a DOF to do?
 

Ravi

Upper Decker
This is what happens when your club is being run professionally and staffed with quality people. Some of them will be head hunted by other clubs who can offer more money.
 

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
Can anyone list Dowlings top 5 achievements that have shaped today's Nottingham Forest?
I am totally in the dark as to what this man actually did.
 

Ravi

Upper Decker
Agree, never been convinced by a DOF structure at Karankas Forest anyway. He's come in & set his own tone with the playing style, so you'd assume the way to go is for Karanka to staff it too. Is there much left for a DOF to do?

It allows Aitor to focus on managing the first team rather than having to spread his time over the wider aspects of running the club.
 

MASE

Up-Front
It allows Aitor to focus on managing the first team rather than having to spread his time over the wider aspects of running the club.

Fair point, genuine question, did Dowling have any authority over Karanka?
 

MASE

Up-Front
When did steak and kidney go out of fashion?

Back on topic.

I've some knowledge in this area & can confirm S&K is still very much a player.

Beef in Ale remains the benchmark though.
With Beef & Stilton & Chicken & Mushroom starting to make some serious noise.
 
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GreeksBearingGifts

Stuart Pearce
I've always been skeptical about the DOF structure, but it's even more bizare if they're constantly changing for whatever reason.

The idea that we're gonna have some bloke in place to oversee managers change whilst retaining a stylistic identity has been proven false twice in a short period now. What's the point? If they're as interchangeable as managers, it's a waste of time.

Good riddance. Employ a good manager, back that manager. That's all that's needed. Spend Dowlings wage on some good scouts instead.
A structure relying only on the manager and the Board is not safe. A decision maker or at least influencer between the two is necessary. It is irrelevant if he is a DoF working closely with the manager or a football technocrat working closely with the Board; what is important is to have a third pole of power.
 

Alf-engelos Mindminackers

The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
A structure relying only on the manager and the Board is not safe. A decision maker or at least influencer between the two is necessary. It is irrelevant if he is a DoF working closely with the manager or a football technocrat working closely with the Board; what is important is to have a third pole of power.

Worked for Brian Clough.

There is no safety in football. A DOF's choice of players is just an opinion much like a managers. I'm not against it, it's just a fantasy that having a DOF makes much difference.

Have someone who knows their onions signing good players. If that's only the manager sound. If it's one person or two people sound, but the illusion that having a DPF makes some amazing difference is gumph IMO. Having good people at the club makes the difference.
 
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Ravi

Upper Decker
Fair point, genuine question, did Dowling have any authority over Karanka?

I don't know the details of the structure, although I would guess not. Dowling would likely have been involved in recruitment strategy, judging by his time at Watford.
 

GOBIAS

Ian Bowyer
Back on topic.

I've some knowledge in this area & can confirm S&K is still very much a player.

Beef in Ale remains the benchmark though.
With Beef & Stilton & Chicken & Mushroom on the rise.

S&k is my absolute favourite. My grandma died in 1997 but used to make a steak, kidney and potato pie with the best crust. God I used to love that pie. But now every pub you go to has steak and ale. Or chicken and mushroom. I even went to a pie shop in Whitby the other week and they had about ten different pies but no steak and kidney. Sad.
 

GOBIAS

Ian Bowyer
A structure relying only on the manager and the Board is not safe. A decision maker or at least influencer between the two is necessary. It is irrelevant if he is a DoF working closely with the manager or a football technocrat working closely with the Board; what is important is to have a third pole of power.

Here was me thinking you were on here to tout cheese pie. What the f*** is it anyway? More like a quiche?
 

Ravi

Upper Decker
A structure relying only on the manager and the Board is not safe. A decision maker or at least influencer between the two is necessary. It is irrelevant if he is a DoF working closely with the manager or a football technocrat working closely with the Board; what is important is to have a third pole of power.

Exactly. We saw the damage a structure relying on only one man can cause under our previous owner. The club became the tinpot and amateurish shell of a football club that EM and co inherited.
 

valspoodle

Steve Chettle
Surely ultimately the owner decides the policy of the club. If you have a dickhead like Fawaz in charge the whole club is going to be Mickey Mouse.

If you have, as we now seem to have, an owner who knows how to do the right thing, then you are going to have good people running the affairs behind the scenes and I think too many cooks spoil the broth.

As Alf says, each has an opinion, who wins out when there is a difference? The DOF only chooses the players, the coach/manager has to put it into operation so why not buy his choices? The finance people can veto the choice, but why should a non-playing type? If the coach gets it wrong, his head is on the block and, anyway, it's the owners fault in that case for employing a dunderhead.
 

MASE

Up-Front
Surely ultimately the owner decides the policy of the club. If you have a dickhead like Fawaz in charge the whole club is going to be Mickey Mouse.

If you have, as we now seem to have, an owner who knows how to do the right thing, then you are going to have good people running the affairs behind the scenes and I think too many cooks spoil the broth.

As Alf says, each has an opinion, who wins out when there is a difference? The DOF only chooses the players, the coach/manager has to put it into operation so why not buy his choices? The finance people can veto the choice, but why should a non-playing type? If the coach gets it wrong, his head is on the block and, anyway, it's the owners fault in that case for employing a dunderhead.

That's my thinking, I dont see where a Luke Dowling fits into a head butting session between Heavyweights like Marinakis, Vrentsos, Mendes & Karanka.

It just seems like an expensive chief scout.

"Dunderhead" :LOL:
 
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