Lewis Grabban

[MASE]

Think the lazy assessment is lazy in itself, he works hard.

Theres been a few occasions that have called for more urgent running & he's been jogging. Notably when we were in the shit against Stoke & more generally when his job is to defend from the front & compete for second balls.

Lone striker has more of a job to do than score goals, I dont think his goals alone will get it done this season.

I can see why folk would want to give him that label, although I do rate him as a player.

 

[Redemption]

Theres been a few occasions that have called for more urgent running & he's been jogging. Notably when we were in the shit against Stoke & more generally when his job is to defend from the front & compete for second balls.

Lone striker has more of a job to do than score goals, I dont think his goals alone will get it done this season.

I can see why folk would want to give him that label, although I do rate him as a player.

There's beena few occasions where there's been no replacement on the bench for him and he has to make his energy last for 95 minutes. That requires some consideration.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

The thing is if he is 'just a sniffer who won't do a lot in games' then his inclusion in the team is only acceptable if he scores pretty much every single chance that comes his way.

Because a lot of games are going to end up being low-scoring, low-chance slogfests - like Rotherham. Teams will do that to us, and we won't go gung-ho either.

So if he aint taking that one chance in those games then it might be better to play Murph and then at least you've got a raw physical presence which might make the difference at a set piece...

Not that I believe Grabban is just a sniffer, and I do realise he scored vs Rotherham and from a set piece against Wednesday.

 

[Liaminho]

I've gained a huge amount of respect for grabban. Thought he was just happy to get one last big payday but he's got guts.

 

[FBS]

Ive absolutely no issue with him being a poacher, i love a good poacher... its him hanging out on the wing i dont like... get in the box man thats where you earn your crust

A lot of poachers do that. I even remember Collymore doing it a lot for us.

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[Ian Storey Moore]

He will bag 20 for us this season, that's why we paid the money.

 

[Barry]

A lot of poachers do that. I even remember Collymore doing it a lot for us.

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Stan was not a poacher though... like Antonio it was power, pace and a decent shot from 25 yards out.... both players as a degensive team you were in as much shit with them on the half way line with their back to goal as you were with them waiting for a cross to be swung in.

 

[Ravi]

There's beena few occasions where there's been no replacement on the bench for him and he has to make his energy last for 95 minutes. That requires some consideration.

An important point that often gets missed. He can't run his socks off in a game if it means he's knackered after 70 mins and there's no back up on the bench.

 

[Ravi]

Think the lazy assessment is lazy in itself, he works hard.

He's certainly not a run-around-alot-for-the-sake-of-it-because-fans-love-effort-even-if-most-of-it-is-all-a-bit-headless-chicken type player. He is a skillful, creative team player who holds the ball up well, can pick a pass, and knows how to finish.

 

[Daz42]

All the top top players know how to get some rest during the match as long as they are alive when needed to do their thing.
If that means Grabban jogging for a while but taking chances when they arise I'm ok with it.

 

[MASE]

He's certainly not a run-around-alot-for-the-sake-of-it-because-fans-love-effort-even-if-most-of-it-is-all-a-bit-headless-chicken type player. He is a skillful, creative team player who holds the ball up well, can pick a pass, and knows how to finish.

You sense that every Karanka has a job to do defensively. Theres nothing wrong in winning the ball back high up the pitch, Im happy for Grabban to conserve energy as long as he isn't knackering out key players like Carvalho, who does look like he's putting a bit more in to compensate.

Part of the reason players like Benny are deemed headless chicken at times, is theyre shouldering extra workload.

 

[Ravi]

You sense that every Karanka has a job to do defensively. Theres nothing wrong in winning the ball back high up the pitch, Im happy for Grabban to conserve energy as long as he isn't knackering out key players like Carvalho, who does look like he's putting a bit more in to compensate.

Part of the reason players like Benny are deemed headless chicken at times, is theyre shouldering extra workload.

Karanka seems happy with him.

4 goals and 1 assist from 7-and-a-bit games is good enough isn't it?

 

[Rzar]

Theres been a few occasions that have called for more urgent running & he's been jogging. Notably when we were in the shit against Stoke & more generally when his job is to defend from the front & compete for second balls.

Lone striker has more of a job to do than score goals, I dont think his goals alone will get it done this season.

I can see why folk would want to give him that label, although I do rate him as a player.

He was jogging against Stoke because no player can press an entire team by himself

 

[MASE]

He was jogging against Stoke because no player can press an entire team by himself

He didn't press anyone. He was jogging around in no mans land.

 

[Rzar]

He didn't press anyone. He was jogging around in no mans land.

Yeah, he wouldn’t have been instructed too. His team were on the edge of their own box, he should have held onto it better but pressing them would be a huge waste of energy.

 

[MASE]

Karanka seems happy with him.

4 goals and 1 assist from 7-and-a-bit games is good enough isn't it?

Could it be better with Murphy, his goal record stands up & he just might bring some of the goal threat behind him into play.

Its not so much about bashing Grabbans contribution more looking at ways to get better.

Like you say, Karankas happy with him.

 

[MASE]

Yeah, he wouldn’t have been instructed too. His team were on the edge of their own box, he should have held onto it better but pressing them would be a huge waste of energy.

Stopping the relentless bombs into the box a waste of energy?

 

[Rzar]

Stopping the relentless bombs into the box a waste of energy?

He sprints 20 yards towards the defender with the ball, he has men free left and right, what happens?

 

[MASE]

He sprints 20 yards towards the defender with the ball, he has men free left and right, what happens?

He wasn't defending twenty yards off the opposition, that's the point. He was standing in a position where he was neither cutting off the supply or helping out behind him.

If we're gonna contest that, then Ive nowt more to add to this one.

 

[gamble]

That's how I've always seen Grabban. He will be acussed of not doing anything or looking lazy. In fact, he is waiting on that one moment and that usually turns into a goal.
Personally, I think he is a very competent striker. He knows where the goal is and is finding it regularly. His confidence is getting better with each game.

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Agreed wholeheartedly

Think that's a fair conclusion, I just think your lone striker needs another string to his bow. Theres a viable goal threat in the three behind him & he'll need to bring them in to play.

Murphys goal record stands up.

If our defensive midfield link better with our attacking midfield we shouldn't need him to do much more imo. We are getting slowly better at bridging the gap and a player qho can perform to higher level more consistently than Gued may be the answer, our wingers so far do so much in attack and defence that they knacker themselves out (hence 2 subs are always wingers)

 

[Redemption]

Personally, I though the 1st penalty is good one, apart from it's maybe two inches high. Hitting the cross-bar is on target imho, it's like hitting the keeper.

 

[valspoodle]

Personally, I though the 1st penalty is good one, apart from it's maybe two inces high. Hitting the cross-bar is on target imho.

I always thought hitting the target, in football, is actually scoring or forcing a save.

 

[wemaybefamousagain]

I always thought hitting the target, in football, is actually scoring or forcing a save.

It is, or forcing some kind of block of course.

Hitting the word work cannot be considered a shot on target. It wasn't a terrible pen, but it was not on target.

 

[Redemption]

I always thought hitting the target, in football, is actually scoring or forcing a save.

It is obviously, but can you get any closer to be on target than the post or crossbar.

If you hit the 'inside of the bar' its on target and in

No footbal has pinpoint accuracy, so the ball hitting the wrongside of the bar is as good as, imho.

 

[Chivalry Augustus]

Ultimately, £6m rarely gets you the complete striker. Grabban's record is comparable to Assombalonga, who cost more than twice that, and Afobe, who will cost £12m if/when Stoke sign him permanently. I don't think his hold-up play has been too bad. While he may not be as strong as Murphy, he is more athletic and that tends to buy us more time than if Murphy gets into a decent position. It also means that Grabban can (and does) pull out wide to offer another angle and to help out the midfield. In addition, apart from missed penalties, I can't think of him missing any particularly great chances. His finishing has generally been good. To me, it looks like we're going to get good value for £6m.