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Keinan Vincent Joseph Davis
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Grenville Morris
But that’s a very childish position. If there’s anything we know about modern football it’s that players carry all the power and treat too many of them like this and very quickly it affects the dressing room.
So it’s not about them doing him “a favour” it’s about managing the soul of the club, and avoiding a bomb squad.
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Jack Burkitt
Unfortunately football is an industry overrun with the childish mentalities of people who have far more money than sense.
There was however a moderately interest piece in the telegraph the other day highlighting how out-of-contract players are struggling to secure the bumper deals they normally do at this time of year. If true, this can only be a good thing!
Ashley
Steve Chettle
No one will be loaning him with a view to buy for a guaranteed fee of anything like £15m either though.
Villa can do what they like, but realistically they can either get £5-£8m this summer, or face letting him go for far less in the future. Keinan's stock is as high as it is ever going to get whilst he is contracted to Villa.
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Grenville Morris
Or the poor lad trains on his own and leaves on a free when he contract runs out.
He doesn't necessarily have to be a high scorer to be of value for us. I like him for his ability to maintain field position for us even outnumbered. He's almost unmovable on the ball and I can see that being positionally important at the top level, especially if our midfield is under the pump.
I kinda hope he's a late transfer to us.
I kinda hope he's a late transfer to us.
WSM EXILE
First Team Squad
Agree, he's a beast and enjoyed his football while he was playing with Forest, this can only be a good thing for him and showed in the way he played, he can only improve too but I think he would be a great addition and fits in well with our style of play.
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valspoodle
Steve Chettle
I know it negotiation and all that, but I just can't see the point of the Spence and Davis type of transfer nonsense that's going on.
The clubs have players they don't want who are costing them wages and because the players are not getting games, they aren't going up in price, more likely to be rejected as too expensive even if the price comes down.
It seems just a display of power saying we have your registration, just knuckle down. Petty and pointless.
These clubs seem to forget that buying clubs also have power, plenty of fish in the sea type of power.
The clubs have players they don't want who are costing them wages and because the players are not getting games, they aren't going up in price, more likely to be rejected as too expensive even if the price comes down.
It seems just a display of power saying we have your registration, just knuckle down. Petty and pointless.
These clubs seem to forget that buying clubs also have power, plenty of fish in the sea type of power.
Morpeth
John Robertson
It’s perfectly sensible I reckon. They have a few options:
A) Sell to us for about £5m (assuming we even want him)
B) Keep him
C) Loan him out to a decent Championship club and hope he can actually score some goals this time and then sell him for about £15m
He’ll go to Boro.
A) Sell to us for about £5m (assuming we even want him)
B) Keep him
C) Loan him out to a decent Championship club and hope he can actually score some goals this time and then sell him for about £15m
He’ll go to Boro.
Chappers85
Can't Play Left-Back
I'd say £8-9m upfront with 20% sell-on of anything above that, and an extra £5m if he scores 12+ Prem goals in a single season. To me I think that's more than fair, if not a little inflated. There's no way he's going to be worth £15m in a year even if he scores 20 goals in the Championship.
Morpeth
John Robertson
No chance would I pay anywhere near that for him now, especially with a sell on. He’s a poor man’s Heskey. IF (big if) he could fire 20 goals for team that gets promoted then he’s easily £15m. We’ve just paid more than that for a wing back.
Chappers85
Can't Play Left-Back
£15m for a 25 year old with a grand total of 1 Premier League goal with only a year left on his contract, whose club regards him as no way near the first team? The player has all the power in that instance and clubs would be happy to wait another 6 months to get him at a reduced price, or a year and get him for free.
For what it's worth, I think Davis is worth £8-9m. He probably doesn't score enough goals, but his build-up play, his strength, his first touch, his pace - he's the most exciting centre-forward we've had in 20 years. But his fitness and lack of goals would keep it under £10m.
Morpeth
John Robertson
I know I’m in the minority when it comes to his admiration but if you have a player who’s 25 and just had an amazing season in the championship doing all those jobs you said, plus scoring loads of goals he’d be worth way more than the £8-9m you mention. Plus you’re not paying his wages this season. It’s always a bit of a gamble I guess but I still think he’ll go on loan maybe with a decent wedge payable on promotion or play offs. It’s all just numbers and I’m sure Villa know what they’re doing in the same way we do.
HBB
Jack Burkitt
Would it be the weirdest thing to consider a loan - I confess I don't know if it would even be possible but if he's not going to get a game for Villa could we/would we take him on loan to give us a bit more depth?
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Grenville Morris
I don't think you are in the minority, many admired him and his physical style. The problem is the goals. He did OK for us, but probably scored under par in the goals column given, as you say his physical dominance in games. Add to that his Villa scoring record is terrible and you have the possibility even probability of another "non goal scoring" number 9-particularly against prem level defenders. Whilst we can obviously make use of his talents, the lack of goals seriously affects his value IMO. If there had been a period in his career where he'd notched with regularity it might be different but as is I think 8M is generous...
Just had a look, it seems he didn't play in Villa's opening friendly. Not sure if he's injured / recovering but it's not great signs for him if he's not in the first or second rotation (Villa switched squads for the 2nd half) in Gerrard's thinking.
Still a good chance we get him cheaply, imo. He WANTS to play for us, there's a role in our system, would give us a distinct physical presence and Villa only seem to value him for money, not for playing.
Still a good chance we get him cheaply, imo. He WANTS to play for us, there's a role in our system, would give us a distinct physical presence and Villa only seem to value him for money, not for playing.
adam09
Super Koopa
If they're not careful they could end up at Derby.
Heffing Psycho!
Steve Chettle
Trying to get him in according to Percy's latest article.
Ashley
Steve Chettle
Good to hear. Hopefully Villa have a more sensible price tag in mind now and we can strike a deal. Still think Keinan has a lot to offer.
Masuka
Jack Burkitt
Get this back in the transfer forum. Would love for this to be true, he offers something our other strikers don't.
Ashley
Steve Chettle
Absolutely. Taiwo will be the main man of course, but Keinan can be a real game changer coming off the bench or give our attack something different as an occasional starter in certain games. Still think there is more to come from Keinan as well. He was a perfect fit whilst on loan here, I'd love him to return permanently.
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Bob McKinlay
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Bob McKinlay
Taiwo is the X-Factor.
But we know what we are getting with Keinan, and know how could he be for us. The ultimate handful, I am going to be a disappointed if we don't bring him back.
GERRIM' IN!
But we know what we are getting with Keinan, and know how could he be for us. The ultimate handful, I am going to be a disappointed if we don't bring him back.
GERRIM' IN!
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Jack Armstrong
We should only sign him if he agrees to only wear gloves in winter.