Injuries investigation

[Bucksred]

What a good idea to have an investigation now rather than when we were having all the problems.
Surely the medical and physo staff should have been called in long before our season ended?

 

[Flaggers]

What a good idea to have an investigation now rather than when we were having all the problems. Surely the medical and physo staff should have been called in long before our season ended?

They were too busy mending the broken biscuits that were our players..

 

[Gangle]

The reason for so many injuries was because twat act manager and his snidey sidekick Ned were over training them. Pushing too hard in mid-season like you would in pre-season. Fitness levels are at a peak mid-season but for some bizarre reason, twat act manager decided to keep the intensity high on fitness. Instead of focusing on tactics. Mind you he has very little tactical knowledge, once plan A is blown to rat shit, it's game over.

 

[Gangle]

Not all injuries would be down to the training methods, just most.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

The reason for so many injuries was because twat act manager and his snidey sidekick Ned were over training them. Pushing too hard in mid-season like you would in pre-season. Fitness levels are at a peak mid-season but for some bizarre reason, twat act manager decided to keep the intensity high on fitness. Instead of focusing on tactics. Mind you he has very little tactical knowledge, once plan A is blown to rat shit, it's game over.

I'm assuming that you're ITK? How did they over-train them specifically? Extra games, weights, circuit training?

 

[Gangle]

I'm assuming that you're ITK? How did they over-train them specifically? Extra games, weights, circuit training?

A friend is on very good terms with 2 of the players, I'm not ITK or ever claimed to be, but when he asked what's with all the injuries the reply he got was "working like f*** in training all the time as if it's pre-season"

Make of it what you will. . .

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

A friend is on very good terms with 2 of the players, I'm not ITK or ever claimed to be, but when he asked what's with all the injuries the reply he got was "working like f*** in training all the time as if it's pre-season"

Make of it what you will. . .

I'd obviously be crazy to make anything else of it other than total and utter conclusive proof. The way the players all bounced back to full fitness when we sacked the staff and methods off back that up too.

 

[Gangle]

I'd obviously be crazy to make anything else of it other than total and utter conclusive proof. The way the players all bounced back to full fitness when we sacked the staff and methods off back that up too.

I agree mate. I also agree players need to work hard in training but also they need to tone it down once the games are in full flow. Pushing them too hard in training and playing a 46 game season, you'll end up with what happened. Too many injuries occurring in training and also pulling up in matches. Focus once peaked needs to work more on tactics than the running, weights etc

 

[SLM92NF]

The reason for so many injuries was because twat act manager and his snidey sidekick Ned were over training them. Pushing too hard in mid-season like you would in pre-season. Fitness levels are at a peak mid-season but for some bizarre reason, twat act manager decided to keep the intensity high on fitness. Instead of focusing on tactics. Mind you he has very little tactical knowledge, once plan A is blown to rat shit, it's game over.

Big sweeping statements in there. Was going to say I assume you have inside sources but you've mentioned that later.

So what happened after he left? I mean did we just keep with the training or are those injuries down to other factors?

I don't know what the reasons were and there are that many potential causes, most of which are going to require an experts opinion to cast their eye over I'd reserve judgment completely on this one. I'm never going to be able to offer any sort of valid opinion on why? It should be done though to as has been pointed out in the article make sure if it is avoidable, we can avoid it.

I just don't think you put it down to one sole factor. The variety of injuries incurred, the varying lengths of them. You think Lansbury, Wilson, Hobbs, Blackstock and Cohen all have previous where injuries are concerned. And they are the long term absentees alongside Vaughan (don't know his history with injuries in the slightest) Every single side runs this risk.

Maybe it was over-working but I don't think BD's teams in his career have ever had this kind of injury situation before and considering he is well renowned as a man who is stubborn in his methods on here, do you honestly think he changed much this year to those previous what 6 or 7 seasons?

 

[McKenzie]

I'd obviously be crazy to make anything else of it other than total and utter conclusive proof. The way the players all bounced back to full fitness when we sacked the staff and methods off back that up too.

I know you like bizarre analogies Alf so if some war vet is still having flashbacks would you say to him "the war is over, man up".

 

[McKenzie]

Alf and Mouldy.

How long are you going to bang on defending Billy? All summer? Next season? Just wondered!

 

[Gangle]

Big sweeping statements in there. Was going to say I assume you have inside sources but you've mentioned that later.

So what happened after he left? I mean did we just keep with the training or are those injuries down to other factors?

I don't know what the reasons were and there are that many potential causes, most of which are going to require an experts opinion to cast their eye over I'd reserve judgment completely on this one. I'm never going to be able to offer any sort of valid opinion on why? It should be done though to as has been pointed out in the article make sure if it is avoidable, we can avoid it.

I just don't think you put it down to one sole factor. The variety of injuries incurred, the varying lengths of them. You think Lansbury, Wilson, Hobbs, Blackstock and Cohen all have previous where injuries are concerned. And they are the long term absentees alongside Vaughan (don't know his history with injuries in the slightest) Every single side runs this risk.

Maybe it was over-working but I don't think BD's teams in his career have ever had this kind of injury situation before and considering he is well renowned as a man who is stubborn in his methods on here, do you honestly think he changed much this year to those previous what 6 or 7 seasons?

As I put, not all would be down to training methods, just most. Also you mention he hadn't done this previously, but previously there wasn't as much pressure and expectation as this season had. I wouldn't say, in my opinion, he purposely over trained them, think he wanted make sure they were in tip top condition. But it ended up with the reverse effect. Would like to see what the investigation brings but that what I put is what a trusted friend was told by a very senior player. Our most senior outfield player. Whom had a spat with Davies over 1 or 2 things during the season.

 

[ForestinLancs]

Not enough walking along the Trent or trips to Mallorca. Missing all the nettles and San Miguel I reckon!

 

[Gangle]

Not enough walking along the Trent or trips to Mallorca. Missing all the nettles and San Miguel I reckon!

Haha yeh not enough relaxation time me thinks. Too much go go go!

 

[Captain Sinister]

We aspire to be a Premiership outfit.
Premiership players seem to run faster, tackle harder and play with more skill.
Perhaps trying to get mid-table Championship players to that sort of level was too much mentally and physically for most of them.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Alf and Mouldy.

How long are you going to bang on defending Billy? All summer? Next season? Just wondered!

Will always defend the truth youth, 100 years time if needs be. The person is irrelevant and if facts can back up the claims there's no reason for us to offer a different viewpoint.

Seriously though, I just find it funny how village gossip and speculation become fact.

 

[McKenzie]

Why don't you just try and give him a call and go out for a beer? You never know what might happen!

Its not like he is busy

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Why don't you just try and give him a call and go out for a beer? You never know what might happen!

Its not like he is busy

You really need to get over him you know. Move on for your own good.

 

[Ravi]

Let's just hope the club don't take the same pantomime approach.
He's to blame, oh no he's not, oh yes he is.. Etc

Surely we want the club to learn from any mistakes not just select a convenient scapegoat? :facepalm:

 

[McKenzie]

You really need to get over him you know. Move on for your own good.

That is a terrible attempt at a troll

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

That is a terrible attempt at a troll

You're certainly way better at it than I am. I'll give you that.

Let's just hope the club don't take the same pantomime approach.
He's to blame, oh no he's not, oh yes he is.. Etc

Surely we want the club to learn from any mistakes not just select a convenient scapegoat? :facepalm:

THIS!!^

McKenzie, seeing as you can't have a discussion with me without obsessing over Billy, try heeding Ravi's - a chap who doesn't like Billy and didn't want him back - point instead.

 

[McKenzie]

Absolutely. I agree with what Ravi put.

We are not the club though. We are fans who clearly have nothing better to chat about at the moment!

 

[Senior Flange Technician]

Absolutely. I agree with what Ravi put.

We are not the club though. We are fans who clearly have nothing better to chat about at the moment!

Have a wank instead. The empty feeling after is still better than this gumph.

 

[Redemption]

A range of possibilities:

- Some of them will just be injuries incurred in the line of duty. (non-iatrogenic)

- Some will be injuries exacerbated by over-training. (neo-iatrogenic)

- Some will be injuries from over-training. (iatrogenic)

Any instincts as to which player has which level of injury or even how one can deduce this?

 

[Barnfather]

I'd like to see Pearce overhaul the whole sport-science part of the club. I have no evidence either way, but I suspect it is starting to fall behind some of our rivals in terms of progressive thinking.

And oddly I have far more sympathy towards Billy Davies in terms of injuries, than I do Gary Brazil. During the run-in, when we were short of remaining games but only needed a slight upturn in results to get into the playoffs, we played weakened sides and Brazil cited injuries, whilst leaving 2 international players with champions league experience out of the squad due to 'attitude'. Well I'm pleased that Gary felt his short time in charge worked well and he improved morale in the squad - a pity it didn't actually deliver results though. <chunter, chunter, moan etc...>