Hillsborough Remembrance

[Cloughie1975]

A 6pm ko off on a Sunday will result in some stupid behaviour

Forest fans don't like Liverpool & they're not fond of us either

Every Forest nutter (there's plenty) will be out on the piss from midday, I hope things don't get to out of hand but I'm not confident it will all pass without incident

I hope the club and police issue a warning that any so called supporters stepping out of line will have the book
thrown at them.

 

[acrobat]

If the scouser's want to remember then they can do it at there place not ours.

 

[Otis Redding]

I hope the club and police issue a warning that any so called supporters stepping out of line will have the book
thrown at them.

I agree with the sentiment Cloughie, but it doesn't happen like that. I'd argue that raising a specific issue regarding the events that occurred at Hillsbrough is more likely to create potential problems.

As has been said, best make no mention.

 

[BryanRoy22]

Agree with the general consensus.

Let's not reinvigorate old negative memories before an important FA Cup tie where we want to go into it feeling positive.

It will only play into Liverpool's hands.

We lost to them in the Semi-Final the year before Hillsborough too. I think we're due an FA Cup win over them at a crucial stage.

Let's keep it about the football.

 

[Carvel]

I've got a bad feeling about this one l. Won't be trying to get a ticket.

A healthy mix of our worst nobheads and their constant need to be the victim I'm sure will end up in tears


I've already seen a lot of puerile stuff from both sides on social media from people clearly too young to have been alive back then.

They heard us singing about them against Huddersfield and didn't take it as 'banter'. Seemed genuinely offended by 'you scouse bastards'

 

[Cloughie1975]

I've got a bad feeling about this one l. Won't be trying to get a ticket.

A healthy mix of our worst nobheads and their constant need to be the victim I'm sure will end up in tears


I've already seen a lot of puerile stuff from both sides on social media from people clearly too young to have been alive back then.

They heard us singing about them against Huddersfield and didn't take it as 'banter'. Seemed genuinely offended by 'you scouse bastards'

Yes,that's the ironic thing-a high percentage of potential troublemakers will never have seen a
Forest v Liverpool game.

 

[Cloughie1975]

I agree with the sentiment Cloughie, but it doesn't happen like that. I'd argue that raising a specific issue regarding the events that occurred at Hillsbrough is more likely to create potential problems.

As has been said, best make no mention.

I never suggested that we raised the Hillsborough issue,Otis-but I'm sure there are nutters on both sides who
would like to raise it as an excuse for a fight to enrich their normally mundane lives.

 

[Louth Red]

We're all a little guilty tbh..

I think part of our animos is that we never got to grieve, we were victims too and it's legacy lingers for many.

I wasn’t at Hillsborough although other family were.

I’ve been to many games at Hillsborough since and usually visit the modest memorial there.

What Calvin says is correct - we have supporters who have carried scars since that day.
Many of them suffer more as the years roll by.
Next Sunday is a really tough call for them.

As a body of supporters we must not tarnish our Clubs reputation on Sunday.

After the serious trouble at Wembley last year and misbehaviour at other games this season we must behave.

4,000 plus away fans in Lower Bridgford plus some in home seats will be a challenge.

Our owners, CX and managers have restored our reputation and given us our Club back.

Let’s repay them by backing our team but by also being respectful.

 

[Cloughie1975]

I wasn’t at Hillsborough although other family were.

I’ve been to many games at Hillsborough since and usually visit the modest memorial there.

What Calvin says is correct - we have supporters who have carried scars since that day.
Many of them suffer more as the years roll by.
Next Sunday is a really tough call for them.

As a body of supporters we must not tarnish our Clubs reputation on Sunday.

After the serious trouble at Wembley last year and misbehaviour at other games this season we must behave.

4,000 plus away fans in Lower Bridgford plus some in home seats will be a challenge.

Our owners, CX and managers have restored our reputation and given us our Club back.

Let’s repay them by backing our team but by also being respectful.

Well said.

 

[DizzyBala]

I think it'd be nice for the club to make the standard official token gesture, perhaps on social media or something but beyond that, I don't think it's necessary.
It's a Liverpool thing, it's their tragedy and a part of their history. The only thing we have to do with it is we were the opposition that fateful day.

That being said, I really hope Forza Garabaldi is doing something big, not Hillsborough related but Forest related.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

I too was there that afternoon, and to be brutally honest, to me and my mates with no knowledge of what was actually unfolding before us, it initially just seemed like an inconvenience - "typical f***ing Liverpool fans" being the general consensus in our ignorance.

Obviously, the mood changed drastically on hearing the news on the car radio after.

I was there chanting along with our fans taking the piss when it first unfolded but someone near my sister and me had a radio and I'll never forget the shame after we realised what was actually going on.

Although obviously Forest fans' suffering that day was nowhere near the levels of the Liverpool fans it still had a lasting impact on many of us who were there which is why I'm reluctant to discuss it if I'm ever asked.

 

[eyupmeduck]

Liverpool wouldn’t want any sort of remembrance for this game. They don’t even acknowledge we were there that day

As Barry says, just toss the coin and get on with turning them over


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Exactly this for me, in a way we are a bit of an inconvenience in the whole narrative because of what we witnessed before, during and to a degree after the tragic events unfolded and I think we have played our part over all this time by staying largely silent, giving them space for their grief as ultimately we recognise that lives were lost irrespective of circumstances a real tragedy that so many never got home from a game of football.

I think as a club and supporter group we also continue to recognise largely what our role is now, we have been sidelined for so long that personally I see no merit in making a gesture, let's just try and beat them at football as there is less danger of disturbing the hornets nest which ultimately would result in us being vilified far and wide even if what we have to say is an inconvenient truth.

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[cheapseats]

I suspect its going to be a very charged atmosphere and sadly I think it will be down to the 'poo fans and how they behave. If there is aggro and taunting I suspect our fans will react to it.

My own Hillsborough stories are my own-I don't want them dragged up just 'cos a football match is being played.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Exactly this for me, in a way we are a bit of an inconvenience in the whole narrative because of what we witnessed before, during and to a degree after the tragic events unfolded and I think we have played our part over all this time by staying largely silent, giving them space for their grief as ultimately we recognise that lives were lost irrespective of circumstances a real tragedy that so many never got home from a game of football.

I think the main reason we're left out of it is because many Forest fans' opinions of what they experienced don't chime with public opinion and the now accepted reports / inquiries etc. So we're never asked.

A good friend of mine I went with was actually interviewed for a BBC documentary about Hillsborough and gave a genuine account of what he experienced. It never made it to the actual programme and he was later told that it was because of the sensitive nature of his comments.

 

[EmmersonForest4]

I want nothing to do with it, as with most things in life the whole situation is nuanced and I am glad the Liverpool fans got to a stage where the 100% blame wasnt on them but now they want to shift the 100% blame onto the police which in my view is not on. So I wish they just leave it now as alluded before everyone is a little guilty really.

 

[Red Ray's Redlist]

We've got to be respectful of those who tragically lost their lives and loved ones that day.

Hopefully it's all just left alone.

But never forget these are the same set of supporters whose immediate response at the Old Trafford rearranged game to us joining in with the hated You'll Never Walk alone was to sing "We hate Nottingham Forest". That level of classlessness sum them up.

Forget their sad sack plastic fans because they're not worth the effort of despising. But always remember the hardcore at Heysel, their pride in regularly forcing entry to grounds without tickets and their thieving abroad; as a set of fans they're not the innocents they've painted themselves to be, and they know we know a lot of what went on that day, even if nobody is allowed to speak about it now.

 

[Captain Sinister]

I sympathise with the surviving family members of those that died.
However, and despite the court placing blame on the police, those who forced entry are still doing it and without them recognising and being remorseful for their behaviour there should be no remembrance at Sunday’s game.

 

[Timothy Pope]

I think the club were spot-on with how they handled this tricky subject. The 97 reserved seats was a touching tribute.
We’ll done NFFC


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[Red bandit]

I sympathise with the surviving family members of those that died.
However, and despite the court placing blame on the police, those who forced entry are still doing it and without them recognising and being remorseful for their behaviour there should be no remembrance at Sunday’s game.

A number of England fans forced entry to the European Cup final at Wembley and an even larger number did their level best to do so .
Luckily no one died.
Should we tar all England fans with responsibility for the shocking behaviour of a minority?

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

A number of England fans forced entry to the European Cup final at Wembley and an even larger number did their level best to do so .
Luckily no one died.
Should we tar all England fans with responsibility for the shocking behaviour of a minority?

Is not about 'all' fans it's about actions of one group compared to others.

England fans get a bad reputation, deservedly, because compared to others they have a greater number of dickheads getting overly drunk, smashing things up and now seemingly trying to get force way into stadiums without tickets.

Liverpool deservedly had their reputation in previous years compared to other clubs because they had a greater proportion of such dickheads.

They probably don't anymore given they are a global club now and most of their fans are part of the prawn sandwich brigade, and people would have forgotten about their antics by now if they didn't inadvertently bring it up all the time through their woe be us narrative.

Edit: and no, that's not a Hillsborough reference, but a reference to their complete lack of awareness as to some really bad feelings others have towards Liverpool, whether it's those impacted by Heysel or those closer to home in the Anfield area where Liverpool bought up a few houses and deliberately ran then down to forcibly have a managed decline of the area to be able to buy the rest of the houses in the cheap so they could knock them down and expand the ground. This fan sees. Own your history for good and for bad and everyone else will move on.

 

[Alvar Hanso]

In the case of Hillsborough I thought the police had admitted that they opened gate C to alleviate the crush at the turnstiles, not because fans had forced entry.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

In the case of Hillsborough I thought the police had admitted that they opened gate C to alleviate the crush at the turnstiles, not because fans had forced entry.

Why was there a crush at the turnstiles...

 

[Alvar Hanso]

Why was there a crush at the turnstiles...

Because there were too few turnstiles and a natural bottleneck

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

Because there were too few turnstiles and a natural bottleneck

Why did that those factors not result in tragedy in other years?

For the avoidance of doubt I'm not saying Liverpool fans were the root cause but it surely has to be a contributing consideration along with quite a few other things.

 

[Rockabilly]

Because there were too few turnstiles and a natural bottleneck

Those same turnstiles where there for many previous games and semi finals too.