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Quntib Hollox

Quntib Hollox

Jack Armstrong
Vikare said:
I wish I trusted the club to care enough to do that.

But I think "clubs" in the old sense are dead. It's corporate shit top to bottom nowadays. (Not that I am a reliable source of how clubs were in the past. I wasn't even born during the "clubs have a soul" days.)

They will touch anything that isn't radioactive.

Still, as a fan (and first of all a human,) don't throw rocks at people that haven't been credibly accused of something. And don't stop throwing rocks if they have. That's my hot take of the week.
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Disagree. I think a lot of background checks are carried out before we get to the signing stage. Absolutely no way Forest are spending £9M without being as sure as they can be that the guy is a good fit and the right character.
 
Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
I can't believe the series of posts on this thread have not been removed.
If there really is a police investigation ongoing then the whole thing is sub-judice.
It is unbecoming of this Forum to tolerate the nature of the posts.
I have undertaken extensive googling to see if I can discover anything relevant from a reliable journalist, police statement, or anty reliable reporting but so far without success.
All the "stories" seem to emmante from an independent online journal "The Athleticist", and to date I cannot find any information as to the reliability of that particular online independent journal.
 
TrickiestTree

TrickiestTree

A. Trialist
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Jack Burkitt
Captain Sinister said:
I can't believe the series of posts on this thread have not been removed.
If there really is a police investigation ongoing then the whole thing is sub-judice.
It is unbecoming of this Forum to tolerate the nature of the posts.
I have undertaken extensive googling to see if I can discover anything relevant from a reliable journalist, police statement, or anty reliable reporting but so far without success.
All the "stories" seem to emmante from an independent online journal "The Athleticist", and to date I cannot find any information as to the reliability of that particular online independent journal.
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Just as a couple of points of order: talking about the case on here is not sub judice as far as we (in the UK) are concerned as the case, if it were to happen would not be happening in this country or under UK law. Also sub judice covers from a point at which a case is deemed as "live" - this can be a bit of a grey area as while technically a case is only live once charges have been laid it can also cover the period immediately before charges have been laid (e.g. at arrest) as/if there is a reasonable presumption that charges will be laid. In most cases journalist reporting will assume that from arrest you are restricted in what you can say/publish. So for instance you don't name an arrested individual you say "a 26 year old man has been taken into custody and is being questioned by police in connection with ....."

Hope that helps
 
Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
HBB said:
Just as a couple of points of order: talking about the case on here is not sub judice as far as we (in the UK) are concerned as the case, if it were to happen would not be happening in this country or under UK law. Also sub judice covers from a point at which a case is deemed as "live" - this can be a bit of a grey area as while technically a case is only live once charges have been laid it can also cover the period immediately before charges have been laid (e.g. at arrest) as/if there is a reasonable presumption that charges will be laid. In most cases journalist reporting will assume that from arrest you are restricted in what you can say/publish. So for instance you don't name an arrested individual you say "a 26 year old man has been taken into custody and is being questioned by police in connection with ....."

Hope that helps
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Apologies for using the term sub-judice inappropriately.
However, i am still astounded that the posts are not taken down.
 
Vikare

Vikare

Viv Anderson
Quntib Hollox said:
Disagree. I think a lot of background checks are carried out before we get to the signing stage. Absolutely no way Forest are spending £9M without being as sure as they can be that the guy is a good fit and the right character.
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Let's hope it is indeed so.
 
eyupmeduck

eyupmeduck

Geoff Thomas
Captain Sinister said:
I can't believe the series of posts on this thread have not been removed.
If there really is a police investigation ongoing then the whole thing is sub-judice.
It is unbecoming of this Forum to tolerate the nature of the posts.
I have undertaken extensive googling to see if I can discover anything relevant from a reliable journalist, police statement, or anty reliable reporting but so far without success.
All the "stories" seem to emmante from an independent online journal "The Athleticist", and to date I cannot find any information as to the reliability of that particular online independent journal.
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Agree, you have to search for the info on equivalent sites to football insider who essentially quote the same info/sources but don't seem to have any additional or anything compelling (Either way).

I think personally that if there were any truth, it would be hard to see Sevilla having anything to do with him, nor our KC chairman being receptive to the move. In fact I think if you look for Precedent then our owner also essentially disowned a player recently who had similar allegations against them at Olympiakos (Semedo).

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Jack Burkitt
Captain Sinister said:
Apologies for using the term sub-judice inappropriately.
However, i am still astounded that the posts are not taken down.
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If the comments on here are anything then they are potentially libelous - to state that player X DID do something, that is potentially libelous if you do not know as a cast iron, proveable fact . If they are saying that its been reported that player X did something that's pretty much ok (as long as you did not knowingly quote an untruth as proof for your statement).

The test in law is a bit vague but the accuser would have to argue that the comments or any published statements are alleged to defame a named or identifiable individual in a manner which causes them loss in their trade or profession, or damages their reputation. So when people say a ref looks like he's taken a bribe, that could be deemed libel but, if they say he has taken a bribe then absolutely that's libel and if the ref brought a case against you you would have to prove that they have taken a bribe.

In reality of course the chances a ref would take action against a poster on a club site are vanishingly slim but technically they could, however they would have to prove that the posters comments in and of themselves would cause loss in their trade or profession, or damages their reputation, that's unlikely given the small readership of a club website... but if you're a reporter for a national paper then you can expect the ref would/could take action as that reporter is influential with a big readership and that could effect the ref's professional role and ability to do their job and eventually their livelihood, so way more likely.

Allowable defences are justification, fair comment, and privilege (only applies in a court of law or statements made in Parliament and are known as absolute privilege).
 
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Omar Devone Little

Omar Devone Little

Mr Realistic
I'll wait until the case is over before making a judgement.

Obviously if he's found guilty though not only should he never darken the City Ground again but he should be shot on the spot.

It's not a good look though whatever the outcome and we'd be claiming he was a proper wrong un if Sheff Utd/Derby etc were signing him.
 
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