Giulian Biancone

[sammy the snake]

You need to have quality in depth, if you just have a starting 11 with little to no competition you soon end up with a complacent one dimensional team. I know it can be hard to accept some of our favourite players could lose their spots but that's how it should be, there should be players fighting to take minutes off other players and players fighting to keep themselves in the picture. It's part of a healthy set up, and it's the type of pressure that pushes players and allows you to get the best out of your players in a competitive environment

They'll all know the score before they signed. SC is an honest man and puts plays first. Those players have come to Forest to be better players and develop their game. There's no peire van hoydonks here..no prima donnas in their prime wanting to show off then piss off.

 

['77 Red]

Last season a lot was rightly made of the 'next man up' spirit in the camp where all squad players had a role, on and off the field and were made to feel an equal whether playing or not. Figs was the epitome of this.

SC has already emphasised the need to quickly integrate the newbies into that same team ethic from last season and presumably all have been signed because their personal character fits with SC's blueprint. Whoever becomes the 'next man' shouldn't matter if SC gets the buy in from all in the 25. If that's JW / SC / SMcK or any of the new guys awaiting their turn it doesn't matter.

In theory.......

 

[Cloughie1975]

Last season a lot was rightly made of the 'next man up' spirit in the camp where all squad players had a role, on and off the field and were made to feel an equal whether playing or not. Figs was the epitome of this.

SC has already emphasised the need to quickly integrate the newbies into that same team ethic from last season and presumably all have been signed because their personal character fits with SC's blueprint. Whoever becomes the 'next man' shouldn't matter if SC gets the buy in from all in the 25. If that's JW / SC / SMcK or any of the new guys awaiting their turn it doesn't matter.

In theory.......

Yes,Steve Cooper obviously prefers a team rather than individual approach-a feature of the Brian Clough
era at Forest.

 

[Gyros Peter]

Anyone make the journey last night and has thoughts about how this lad did?

Did he play right side of the central back three? Saw a good block second half on the highlights.

Still not sure where the club see him but it's interesting we appear to be looking at re-enforcements in the two positions he plays.

 

[Steve B]

I’m interested to hear thoughts on him from anyone who went as well. He looked really good in the Coventry friendly but that seemed like ages ago now. He seems to have fallen away a bit in the reckoning since then and got some criticism v Notts.
From the radio commentary sounds like he made some mistakes, gave ball away a couple of times, but also made some positive defensive challenges/interceptions. I’d like to see him doing well and at some stage pushing for a starting place.

 

[Bob Fossil]

This is probably the only signing that I'm scratching my head over for £5m.

Is it just me?

 

[Harvey]

This is probably the only signing that I'm scratching my head over for £5m.

Is it just me?

I don't think he's seen enough competitive game time for us to judge either way

 

[Bob Fossil]

I don't think he's seen enough competitive game time for us to judge either way

True .

I do love to jump the gun.

 

[Notcher]

I thought he looked against Cov and Barnsley. Very gutsy and had good quality. He's probably a victim of our preferred system but I think he'll get games when we shift to a back 4

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[gamble]

This is probably the only signing that I'm scratching my head over for £5m.

Is it just me?

I mean what are you basing it on? He's not played a league game yet.

 

[valspoodle]

I thought he looked against Cov and Barnsley. Very gutsy and had good quality. He's probably a victim of our preferred system but I think he'll get games when we shift to a back 4

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I have had the strong opinion for years that managers/coaches not only have preferred systems and tactics, but players they like to see in their team. Consequently it is very hard for others to break into the set up.

 

[Player-12]

We signed 18 players this summer and only have 11 starting spots.

Some of them will not make the 11 much, but if they raise the level of competition, provide cover, and allow us to rotate players/formations then it will be money well spent even if they don’t see the pitch.


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[Hungry Horace]

We signed 18 players this summer and only have 11 starting spots.

Some of them will not make the 11 much, but if they raise the level of competition, provide cover, and allow us to rotate players/formations then it will be money well spent even if they don’t see the pitch.


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Spot on; some signings are there so we don’t have to throw an academy lad in at 30mins vs Man City when someone gets injured.


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[Raymondo Ponte']

Spot on; some signings are there so we don’t have to throw an academy lad in at 30mins vs Man City when someone gets injured.

Academy lad or a 20 million signing it's still going to be extremely difficult against them

But if Yates is there we have a chance.

 

[Timothy Pope]

This guy seems like another Cafu character. Solid back up and a team player

 

[Captain Sinister]

This guy seems like another Cafu character. Solid back up and a team player

I don’t think we have seen enough of Biancone to conclude he is limited to being a back up player.

 

[Timothy Pope]

I don’t think we have seen enough of Biancone to conclude he is limited to being a back up player.

Possibly not. But as a centre back he’s at least 5th in the pecking order and at best second choice right back.

 

[Omar Devone Little]

Wasn't hugely impressed from what I saw pre season but can only truly judge him when he's played properly in the first team for a bit. So jury still out on this one.

 

[Captain Sinister]

Wasn't hugely impressed from what I saw pre season but can only truly judge him when he's played properly in the first team for a bit. So jury still out on this one.

The jury to my mind is out on Biancone, Niakhate, Richards, Mangala, Dennis, Freuler, O'Brien, Toffolo, Awoniyi, Gibbs-White, Kouyate, even out on Lingard.
Henderson & Williams have both been spot on from day 1, but the rest have yet to demonstrate they are able to cut it in the NFFC team in the Premiership.
OK, Niakhate has looked like a very good prospect, but his hamstring injury is reminiscent of Samba Sow - who was a real asset when fit, but was often out on the treatment table. I am not saying Niakhate is thesame,; we will only know after he has been with us for the season.
Mangala looked very good, but was he withdrawn because of injury or merely because he needs more match minutes to reach the required level of fitness and stamina? Only after more games will we be seeing whether or not he is what Strummer says he is from seeing him in the Bundesliga.
Kouyate did it with Crystal Palace, and looks o be capable of commanding a starting birth at Forest
Both he and Mangala show early signs that are promising.
Dennis did it at Watford last season, and showed promise in the League Cup... against lower league opposition.
Freuler looked absolutely the ticket against Grimsby, but we haven't seen how he copes in the Premiership yet. Again, the promise if a decent player is there.
O'Brien had a poor game at Newcastle (along with most others that day), and a cracking display against WHU. It is a big step up for him, and he jury is still out with him.
Toffolo, like O'Brien, had a difficult time at St James's Park (not aided by the lack of cover from Lingard), and has improved considerably since then. Will he be good enough to command a starting birth when Richards is fit?
Is Richards going to be able to displace Toffolo? The jury has to be out.
Awoniyi has shown in flashes that he has pace and power... but the jury is still out.
Gibbs-White is going to be mega - probably wrong of me to say the jury is out on him, but I would hate to judge him as a Premiership player in the strength of 15 minutes or so at the end of the verton game.
As for Lingard: obviously has bags of class, but why did he not prosper at ManUre? So far his contribution at forest has not quite lived up to the hype.
To be fair, singling out Biancone is perhaps a bit premature, and he may well come through in any one of those defensive positions.

 

[Timothy Pope]

The jury to my mind is out on Biancone, Niakhate, Richards, Mangala, Dennis, Freuler, O'Brien, Toffolo, Awoniyi, Gibbs-White, Kouyate, even out on Lingard.
Henderson & Williams have both been spot on from day 1, but the rest have yet to demonstrate they are able to cut it in the NFFC team in the Premiership.
OK, Niakhate has looked like a very good prospect, but his hamstring injury is reminiscent of Samba Sow - who was a real asset when fit, but was often out on the treatment table. I am not saying Niakhate is thesame,; we will only know after he has been with us for the season.
Mangala looked very good, but was he withdrawn because of injury or merely because he needs more match minutes to reach the required level of fitness and stamina? Only after more games will we be seeing whether or not he is what Strummer says he is from seeing him in the Bundesliga.
Kouyate did it with Crystal Palace, and looks o be capable of commanding a starting birth at Forest
Both he and Mangala show early signs that are promising.
Dennis did it at Watford last season, and showed promise in the League Cup... against lower league opposition.
Freuler looked absolutely the ticket against Grimsby, but we haven't seen how he copes in the Premiership yet. Again, the promise if a decent player is there.
O'Brien had a poor game at Newcastle (along with most others that day), and a cracking display against WHU. It is a big step up for him, and he jury is still out with him.
Toffolo, like O'Brien, had a difficult time at St James's Park (not aided by the lack of cover from Lingard), and has improved considerably since then. Will he be good enough to command a starting birth when Richards is fit?
Is Richards going to be able to displace Toffolo? The jury has to be out.
Awoniyi has shown in flashes that he has pace and power... but the jury is still out.
Gibbs-White is going to be mega - probably wrong of me to say the jury is out on him, but I would hate to judge him as a Premiership player in the strength of 15 minutes or so at the end of the verton game.
As for Lingard: obviously has bags of class, but why did he not prosper at ManUre? So far his contribution at forest has not quite lived up to the hype.
To be fair, singling out Biancone is perhaps a bit premature, and he may well come through in any one of those defensive positions.

Oh Captain. You’ve been here long enough to know that a player is judged not good enough after 5 minutes on the pitch

 

[Otis Redding]

The jury to my mind is out on Biancone, Niakhate, Richards, Mangala, Dennis, Freuler, O'Brien, Toffolo, Awoniyi, Gibbs-White, Kouyate, even out on Lingard.
Henderson & Williams have both been spot on from day 1, but the rest have yet to demonstrate they are able to cut it in the NFFC team in the Premiership.
OK, Niakhate has looked like a very good prospect, but his hamstring injury is reminiscent of Samba Sow - who was a real asset when fit, but was often out on the treatment table. I am not saying Niakhate is thesame,; we will only know after he has been with us for the season.
Mangala looked very good, but was he withdrawn because of injury or merely because he needs more match minutes to reach the required level of fitness and stamina? Only after more games will we be seeing whether or not he is what Strummer says he is from seeing him in the Bundesliga.
Kouyate did it with Crystal Palace, and looks o be capable of commanding a starting birth at Forest
Both he and Mangala show early signs that are promising.
Dennis did it at Watford last season, and showed promise in the League Cup... against lower league opposition.
Freuler looked absolutely the ticket against Grimsby, but we haven't seen how he copes in the Premiership yet. Again, the promise if a decent player is there.
O'Brien had a poor game at Newcastle (along with most others that day), and a cracking display against WHU. It is a big step up for him, and he jury is still out with him.
Toffolo, like O'Brien, had a difficult time at St James's Park (not aided by the lack of cover from Lingard), and has improved considerably since then. Will he be good enough to command a starting birth when Richards is fit?
Is Richards going to be able to displace Toffolo? The jury has to be out.
Awoniyi has shown in flashes that he has pace and power... but the jury is still out.
Gibbs-White is going to be mega - probably wrong of me to say the jury is out on him, but I would hate to judge him as a Premiership player in the strength of 15 minutes or so at the end of the verton game.
As for Lingard: obviously has bags of class, but why did he not prosper at ManUre? So far his contribution at forest has not quite lived up to the hype.
To be fair, singling out Biancone is perhaps a bit premature, and he may well come through in any one of those defensive positions.

Without wishing to state the bleedin' obvious Captain, how can "a jury" not still "be out" in respect of an almost completely new squad after a mere THREE games?

 

[Captain Sinister]

Without wishing to state the bleedin' obvious Captain, how can "a jury" not still "be out" in respect of an almost completely new squad after a mere THREE games?

My point was that it wasn’t just Biancone for whom the jury was out: I agree the whole squad is under scrutiny and the jury is out for all of them. The original post to which I was responding just seemed a premature conclusion to draw about 1 player.

 

[Omar Devone Little]

My point was that it wasn’t just Biancone for whom the jury was out: I agree the whole squad is under scrutiny and the jury is out for all of them. The original post to which I was responding just seemed a premature conclusion to draw about 1 player.

It is a thread with his name on to be fair. Its a thread to talk about Biancone.

 

[Gyros Peter]

I can see the logic, though think it's interesting that we are immediately looking to spend big on centre halves now Niakhate's crocked.

We're bringing (have brought? I've lost track) cover at right back too, so it seems either Biancone is a longer term project or hasn't quite looked up to stepping in from what Cooper has seen?

It'll be interesting to see how his role develops over the course of the season - as things stand it appears he's going to be moved further down the order before he moves up it.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

I can see the logic, though think it's interesting that we are immediately looking to spend big on centre halves now Niakhate's crocked.

We're bringing (have brought? I've lost track) cover at right back too, so it seems either Biancone is a longer term project or hasn't quite looked up to stepping in from what Cooper has seen?

It'll be interesting to see how his role develops over the course of the season - as things stand it appears he's going to be moved further down the order before he moves up it.

Whenever Biancone has played whether Vs Grimsby or in pre-season its always been at RCB. I think the club see him as competition for Worrall, nothing else, so the links to right backs/right wing backs like Aurier don't give us any extra information about what Cooper thinks of Biancone.

Problem for him is he's trying to dislodge the club captain. He's going to need to show more than anyone else on the fringes to break in.