Giulian Biancone

[GreeksBearingGifts]

Sending him to Oly with a buy back if we want it is probably the most sensible option here given he's not going to make the 25 and needs to prove himself.

Both Biancone and Richards were sensible moves for you: they would most certainly not play for you (Biancone for the entire season, Richards for at least half of it), and they would not be able to acquire match fitness if they played once in a blue moon.

Neither was a sensible move for us.

Richards is on loan, he'll be second choice in the foreseeable future, we did not really need him (our starter LB is a very promising Argentinian, and two of our RBs can play on the left as well) and if he returns to the standards he had while at Bayern, he will come back to you hoping to win back his position. No gain for us other than a training ground for someone else, without even the benefit of a season, since it will take him some time to be able to play, and by then the Argentinian will have settled in nicely.

Biancone can only play as a CB in a three-man defense, which we never use, and RB was really a position we did not need reinforcement (there's an unquestionable starter, a solid backup, a winger who started playing quite successfully as a RB, plus another winger turned CB who's returning from injury). According to reports, we wanted Dennis, who flatly denied, and then Kouyate, who also flatly denied. So we got the one you didn't need and we didn't need.

It does not add up very well. Both players will have to excel for the whining over here to subside.

 

[congo_red_49]

It does not add up very well. Both players will have to excel for the whining over here to subside.

On the plus side...it's working the Derby fans up into an absolute frothing frenzy, so convinced are they that we've used our Shared-ownership to cheat FFP.
We've got the Premier League on strings, dontcha know?

EDIT: On a more serious note - does the Greek League have a limit on squad numbers?

 

[Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.]

Once again, you're welcome.

 

[GreeksBearingGifts]

On the plus side...it's working the Derby fans up into an absolute frothing frenzy, so convinced are they that we've used our Shared-ownership to cheat FFP.
We've got the Premier League on strings, dontcha know?

EDIT: On a more serious note - does the Greek League have a limit on squad numbers?

The short answer is no. There are restrictions on the number of non-EU players, but other than that not really. In European competitions, the usual rules apply: a list of 25, necessarily including four association-trained (i.e "Greeks”) and four club-trained (i.e. products of the academy), plus an unlimited number of U21.

Biancone will not of course play in the Europa League, since the list has already been submitted.

 

[congo_red_49]

The short answer is no. There are restrictions on the number of non-EU players, but other than that not really. In European competitions, the usual rules apply: a list of 25, necessarily including four association-trained (i.e "Greeks”) and four club-trained (i.e. products of the academy), plus an unlimited number of U21.

Biancone will not of course play in the Europa League, since the list has already been submitted.

Cheers Boss.

I guess it makes sense in a way then, as the only games he'd be eligible for if he stayed here would be EFL Trophy and FA Cup

 

[Any Time Now]

Biancone can only play as a CB in a three-man defense, which we never use

He has played central in a back 4, the main thing he does have going for him is his versatility across the back line. He's still young enough to improve too, although that will depend on his condition post injury

Hard to have an opinion on his ability as a player since he didn't really get the opportunity to display much here, but in his brief appearances I can't say I saw anything to get too excited about. Hopefully i'm wrong and you can find a way to make use of him

 

[The Frog]

My take was Bianconne was an ‘organisational target’ much like Scarpa - we have/had a lot of shared scouting and directorship roles or consultancy. GB was said to have been scouted for a year before he moved and I get the feeling some of these are signed then placed accordingly to see where works out best.

Much like we took a hit with a Hwang neither side can complain.

 

[Worsley Red]

Doesn’t this serve to reinforce the perception of panic buying last year? I know those were unprecedented times and the turnaround between playoff final and (early) start to season because of World Cup was incredibly short. And I know Biancone’s particular situation is unusual because of the injury but it feels to me that too high a proportion of our 2022 acquisitions were not up to standard. Unless there’s a counter narrative that we went into that period with our eyes open, in the knowledge that a significant number would only be stop gap appointments? Feels like we are in a far far better place now after the recent window.


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[GreeksBearingGifts]

In European competitions, the usual rules apply: a list of 25, necessarily including four association-trained (i.e "Greeks”) and four club-trained (i.e. products of the academy), plus an unlimited number of U21.

Incidentally, this is a rule you'll need to bear in mind in the -hopefully not too distant- future when you'll start competing in Europe again. If you have less than four club-trained players, you'll have a shorter European list (currently you only have Worrall and Yates, which means you'd have a European list of only 23 players if you played in Europe this season).

 

[Samba's Water Bottle]

Doesn’t this serve to reinforce the perception of panic buying last year? I know those were unprecedented times and the turnaround between playoff final and (early) start to season because of World Cup was incredibly short. And I know Biancone’s particular situation is unusual because of the injury but it feels to me that too high a proportion of our 2022 acquisitions were not up to standard. Unless there’s a counter narrative that we went into that period with our eyes open, in the knowledge that a significant number would only be stop gap appointments? Feels like we are in a far far better place now after the recent window.


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I think last season was mostly about numbers, based on personality with a bit of unknown quality, and not knowing enough of what was needed to be good enough for the PL. Obviously mistakes were made but we clearly needed the numbers due to the injury crisis we had.

This year is more about quality and upgrading those we signed last year that weren't good enough.

 

[Omar Devone Little]

To be fair we've been an Olympiakos dumping ground for a few years. Because of the status of the Premier League the roles are reversed now.

 

[vertigored]

I think last season was mostly about numbers, based on personality with a bit of unknown quality, and not knowing enough of what was needed to be good enough for the PL. Obviously mistakes were made but we clearly needed the numbers due to the injury crisis we had.

This year is more about quality and upgrading those we signed last year that weren't good enough.

I think we had a lot of ’hopeful punts‘ at the type of players you e mentioned, they all ticked boxes and were of the right character and ages and if we went straight back down would have orobably stayed on to get us back up.

the injuries didn’t help but this year we have been able to build on last years basic structure and yep, we’ve ‘outgrown‘ some already!

 

[eyupmeduck]

Hope it works out well for him, he does seem a talent and he has worked hard on his rehab and recovery after a badly timed and bad injury.

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[The Frog]

Doesn’t this serve to reinforce the perception of panic buying last year? I know those were unprecedented times and the turnaround between playoff final and (early) start to season because of World Cup was incredibly short. And I know Biancone’s particular situation is unusual because of the injury but it feels to me that too high a proportion of our 2022 acquisitions were not up to standard. Unless there’s a counter narrative that we went into that period with our eyes open, in the knowledge that a significant number would only be stop gap appointments? Feels like we are in a far far better place now after the recent window.


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It feels like you asked a question then proceeded to answer it yourself.

We clearly had one eye on the championship, we needed bodies so we had to take some gambles. Some no doubt calculated and others needs must. We were in a situation where we having to cover our own busts and injuries in the same season.

A lot of the core of the squad we have now we signed last season so we really shouldn’t give a monkeys about the perception as we stayed up so it worked

 

[dr_horse]

Doesn’t this serve to reinforce the perception of panic buying last year? I know those were unprecedented times and the turnaround between playoff final and (early) start to season because of World Cup was incredibly short. And I know Biancone’s particular situation is unusual because of the injury but it feels to me that too high a proportion of our 2022 acquisitions were not up to standard. Unless there’s a counter narrative that we went into that period with our eyes open, in the knowledge that a significant number would only be stop gap appointments? Feels like we are in a far far better place now after the recent window.


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If by panic buying you mean getting whomever you can in because you need them right now and/or there aren't many available players to choose from, then yes, they definitely did that at times. Not getting anyone in would have been the wrong decision, so not sure what else they could have done?

Offer higher fees / wages I suppose is the obvious answer but we don't know if that was actually an option.

Around 50% of transfers don't work out, so against that average last year the club still did ok.

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[TrentEndDr]

Doesn’t this serve to reinforce the perception of panic buying last year? I know those were unprecedented times and the turnaround between playoff final and (early) start to season because of World Cup was incredibly short. And I know Biancone’s particular situation is unusual because of the injury but it feels to me that too high a proportion of our 2022 acquisitions were not up to standard. Unless there’s a counter narrative that we went into that period with our eyes open, in the knowledge that a significant number would only be stop gap appointments? Feels like we are in a far far better place now after the recent window.


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It felt more like hedging our bets. A squad if players for the championship upon relegation (when the big names left), or a surplus of players if we stayed up.

Just look at the struggles of the 3 that came up this year who didn't bring in players (actually sold their better players).

 

[congo_red_49]

It felt more like hedging our bets. A squad if players for the championship upon relegation (when the big names left), or a surplus of players if we stayed up.

Just look at the struggles of the 3 that came up this year who didn't bring in players (actually sold their better players).

Probably a bit early to declare on their struggles...as they haven't started much worse than we did.

 

[Monkman]

Er, yes they have. We had 4 points after 3 games.

 

[congo_red_49]

Er, yes they have. We had 4 points after 3 games.

Statistically insignificant - too small of a sample size.

 

[Monkman]

I agree with your edit

 

[Morpeth]

What's the crack here then?

Staying, going, gone?

 

[Daz]

What's the crack here then?

Staying, going, gone?

A few journalists have said he has completed the move, but nothing official from either club as far as I can tell.

What are we trying to hide?

 

[Rzar]

A few journalists have said he has completed the move, but nothing official from either club as far as I can tell.

What are we trying to hide?

Apparently the delay is it's gone to UEFA's fair value panel and we are putting forward our case that he is worth £74,000,000.

 

[GreeksBearingGifts]

A few journalists have said he has completed the move, but nothing official from either club as far as I can tell.

What are we trying to hide?

The story over here is that he came over to sign and returned to Nottingham to pack. He must have a lot of baggage.

 

[Samba's Water Bottle]

The story over here is that he came over to sign and returned to Nottingham to pack. He must have a lot of baggage.

Is the window in Greece shut now?