Gazza' time coming to an end?

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siforest65

Jack Burkitt
Sad picture that. The 1991 Cup Final wasn't his final hour and he got a serious injury as a result of it. Milford on the other hand bottled it big time.

Football wise i will never forget his goal against Scotland.
 
Alpha Fail

Alpha Fail

Jack Burkitt
While it's true that the rich and famous can often have access to rehabilitative options poorer folk do not, they also have increased access to the things that really don't help. If a hobo wakes up sober and able to attend to his day, he's still living in a ditch and still has to work at getting by. When a celeb does the same, he's surrounded by opulence and people telling him he's great. Even if they don't try to lead him astray, it's incredibly simple for a tired mind to view newfound sobriety as 'job done'.

It's worth reading up on human risk adversity and how variable it is. This individual might just have toxoplasmosis from a family cat when he was a nipper, so he's never going to view 'one quick drink, I've been dry for ages and I'm fine' as nearly as bad a decision as most of us are able to. The reasoning simply is not there for some people.

I would very strongly challenge any accusations of him having 'not tried', however. I've seen the non-triers. They don't ever stop. Gascoigne does stop, he just needs to get the hang of doing that forever. I hope he manages it, he'd be a huge asset to non-league down there.

Struggling to pay rent on Sandbanks, though? 99.9% of humanity would be in the same position, drunk or not. Seems as if this could be a trigger for a relapse, again you're set up to fail if you're exposed to such finaincial/housing risk. So why live somewhere like that? For the same reason the Redknapps of the world do it - it's away from prying eyes, comparatively speaking. The same prying eyes he's probably wanted to be free from every sober moment of his adult life. Press and public. The former tread relatively carefully on Sandbanks, the latter don't hang out there. It's probably a nice, quiet place for him to continue his recovery, if the money's there to do so. Unfortunately for him, it seems not to be. I'd recommend some remote Scotish island or similar, but all they do in remote communities is drink.
 
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redtreeant

Viv Anderson
8balluk said:
Truly remarkable some of the posts on here
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completely agree, what ever mistakes the bloke has made he isn't a child murderer, he's just a bloke that has a serious addiction that he's struggles to beat. Can't beleive the lack of compassion shown at times!:( The best player this country has produced in the last 30 years.
 
Carlos

Carlos

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A lot of bitterness here. A lot echo what I've heard said about a legend of our very own
 
Phooey

Phooey

Jack Burkitt
My father-inlaw was an alcoholic, he never had much money when he worked as a labourer but after being invalided there was even less to spend. He always found money for booze though, when the kids were walking to school in shoes with holes in the sole, when his wife couldn't leave her purse out because the money would vanish, even when she was struggling to buy food. He could turn on the charm when he wanted to and was always one step away from giving up. The NHS put him in rehab three times and he never finished a treatment. There was always a good reason why but when we went to complain it always turned out that he had been at fault, smuggling alcohol in, threatening the nurses, etc. He threatened me numerous times and tried to stab me once but when he had sobered up he was always apologetic and it would never happen again.

Sympathy like that being shown here is just what he wanted, it's an illness after all. :-(
 
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Jack Burkitt
Phooey said:
My father-inlaw was an alcoholic, he never had much money when he worked as a labourer but after being invalided there was even less to spend. He always found money for booze though, when the kids were walking to school in shoes with holes in the sole, when his wife couldn't leave her purse out because the money would vanish, even when she was struggling to buy food. He could turn on the charm when he wanted to and was always one step away from giving up. The NHS put him in rehab three times and he never finished a treatment. There was always a good reason why but when we went to complain it always turned out that he had been at fault, smuggling alcohol in, threatening the nurses, etc. He threatened me numerous times and tried to stab me once but when he had sobered up he was always apologetic and it would never happen again.

Sympathy like that being shown here is just what he wanted, it's an illness after all. :-(
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It's also what all the less horrible, nay lovely people with alcoholism want, need and benefit from.
 
T.B.T.

T.B.T.

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Regardless of what he has or hasn't done in his life, and I'm sure he leaves a trail of destruction behind him as a direct result of his behaviour, he is ill.

I do not know much about his condition but despite the help and support he has received from family, friends and professionals he is clearly incapable of sustaining his well being alone. Sobriety doesn't seem to be enough.

I'm not even sure if his state of mind allows him to rationalise the reality of his situation anymore. There are many people out there who can help but he has to want it badly enough and have the strength to fight his demons once and for all.

I hope he finds peace.
 
Phooey

Phooey

Jack Burkitt
Alpha Fail said:
It's also what all the less horrible, nay lovely people with alcoholism want, need and benefit from.
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So you spend your days clearing up after these lovely people then? Good for you.
 
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Jack Burkitt
Pierre Stan Roydonk said:
Most drugs were socially acceptable at one time or another. Heroin was once promoted as a cure for alcoholism.
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Round about when the powers that be were worried that Britain would get addicted to tea, to the point where it would prevent people working, no-one would be able to start the day without a hit of tea, it would chance the culture, etc.

So, no worries there, then. I'd say read this on the subject, but it's f***ing expensive: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Heroin-Century-Tom-Carnwath/dp/0415278996
 
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Jack Burkitt
Phooey said:
So you spend your days clearing up after these lovely people then? Good for you.
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Not so much these days, but I have watched the occasional old man in his pants crawl over broken glass to get to a vodka bottle across the room which might have a few drops left in it, yeah. I won't even go into what I was doing that prevented me from physically stopping him.

For every shitbag alcoholic I've worked with, though, there's one I like well enough and there's certainly a good few I'd consider dear friends now, if only such fraternising weren't a very bad thing for your career. I've also seen a bit of university research, a handful of common sense and a small amount of funding transform the lives of entire social groups of problem drinkers that endless hospital ward detoxes couldn't touch. I'm not talking 12-step or anything, either.
 
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Jack Burkitt
thehockleyhustler said:
Alcohol is such a strange drug. Socially acceptable by almost all of us until people can no longer control their intake.
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More than 1 unit of alcohol in an hour and your liver starts getting damaged... but a clean, properly administered supply of heroin can be used recreationally for a lifetime with no physical damage. Context is an amazing thing.
 
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Monk De Wally De Honk

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Alpha Fail said:
More than 1 unit of alcohol in an hour and your liver starts getting damaged... but a clean, properly administered supply of heroin can be used recreationally for a lifetime with no physical damage. Context is an amazing thing.
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Is that true? I have heard about it before but never seem it in black and white past the annecdotal
 
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Jack Burkitt
A unit of alcohol is defined as te amount a healthy adult liver can break down in an hour. Ethyl alcohol (the stuff in booze that stops it just being fizzy pop) is poisonous to the human body, the liver deals with this poison by breaking it down using first one enzyme, then another, then it can go in your bloodstream and make you drunk without killing you. You can force too much petrol into an engine and initially it'll just generate more power, but eventually the engine breaks and ultimately the car dies because it becomes such a f***ing mess in there.

Drinking more than a unit an hour is like constantly feeding ever so very slightly too much petrol in. Fine for ages, then not fine all of a sudden. As with engines, livers have varying capacities, it's a question of scale, but as a rule of thumb, you can't go far wrong. Equally, anyone who has a pint in under an hour is forcing too much petrol into their engine, and we don't all drop dead.
 
GOBIAS

GOBIAS

Ian Bowyer
Alpha Fail said:
A unit of alcohol is defined as te amount a healthy adult liver can break down in an hour. Ethyl alcohol (the stuff in booze that stops it just being fizzy pop) is poisonous to the human body, the liver deals with this poison by breaking it down using first one enzyme, then another, then it can go in your bloodstream and make you drunk without killing you. You can force too much petrol into an engine and initially it'll just generate more power, but eventually the engine breaks and ultimately the car dies because it becomes such a f***ing mess in there.

Drinking more than a unit an hour is like constantly feeding ever so very slightly too much petrol in. Fine for ages, then not fine all of a sudden. As with engines, livers have varying capacities, it's a question of scale, but as a rule of thumb, you can't go far wrong. Equally, anyone who has a pint in under an hour is forcing too much petrol into their engine, and we don't all drop dead.
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I hate knowing shit like this. Would rather be oblivious.

My uncle Malcolm is 65 now and has drank heavily since leaving school at 15. When I say heavily I mean 20 pints every day for the last 20-25 years, sometimes probably more. Before that still heavily but maybe not as heavy but still plenty every day and more at times. Anyway hopefully I have his genes so I should be ok. He is holding it together pretty well considering, obviously he is a bit fat.
 
Senior Flange Technician

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Andy!
A unit an hour!? That's what, one half in an hour? That's not even woman pace.
 
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lard

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jimthemod said:
I don't know what's more repulsive! That picture of Gazza or your soul for that remark.
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Erm No sorry , The blokes a **** and I have no time for him . really don't care what happens to him and yes I was there in 91
 
Rockabilly

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lard said:
Erm No sorry , The blokes a **** and I have no time for him . really don't care what happens to him and yes I was there in 91
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my wife used work at Asda in Gateshead, she said 'even before Gazza hit the big time he and his stupid mates used to act like complete pricks in the store, often getting ejected by secrurity.'

She further added 'once he hit the big time, he was an even a bigger prick, often upsetting members of staff with his arrogance and stupidity' As far as my wife is concerned she couldn't care less about the twat, gets everything he deserves.
 
rogerthecat

rogerthecat

Jack Burkitt
chriscl said:
I always will wonder what would have happened had he signed for Man United - Ferguson was keen to do a deal - instead of Spurs.

Surely Ferguson would have kept him on a tight leash and he'd possibly not have pissed away the talent he undoubtedly had at his peak.
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He'd have had a lot of competition for the bottle at Utd. McGrath, Robson, Ferguson himself....
 
Alexandro Garibaldi

Alexandro Garibaldi

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Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
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And a party-four pack of lager.
 
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