Forum fans appointed O'Driscoll

[justnotjase]

Having been on the official Forest site forum originally over ten years ago, and then other Forest forums, you get a good understanding of the online community. People voice opinions differently then they would in real life, get bolder, more full of their own intelligence and most of all like to 'call things' and be 'in the know'.
Against this backdrop, IMO, it was why O'Driscoll has proven to be so falsely and undeseredly popular - the online community had been clambouring for YEARS to get him appointed, to the point of obsession. Previously people had been calling for Dave Penney (where is he now). The delight of getting SOD in charge was second to none - this is the man everyone had desired, had somehow elevated to God like football status. All over the internet there were cries of "I wanted him years ago", "he saved us last year" "he always plays stunning football" etc etc. Now, dont get me wrong, SOD is a great man, but he is an average manager. His previous achievements illustrate this. I would rank him as similiar a Gary Johnson or Darren Ferguson.
When you get past the online love in for SOD, and think about it logically and sensibly, we should do ok out of this. McLeish's record if far superior to SOD's. He has managed successfully in another country - where titles are demanded. He has managed his country against some of the best teams in the world. He has got a team promoted from the Championship. He has won a cup in England. Has O'Driscoll done any of this ? His two big teams have been Doncaster and Bournemouth. He might talk the talk, say the right things - but where does that get you ? I was against McLeish at the start - but this could turn out to be a very shrewd piece of business. Lets hope so.

 

[porks]

Having been on the official Forest site forum originally over ten years ago, and then other Forest forums, you get a good understanding of the online community. People voice opinions differently then they would in real life, get bolder, more full of their own intelligence and most of all like to 'call things' and be 'in the know'.
Against this backdrop, IMO, it was why O'Driscoll has proven to be so falsely and undeseredly popular - the online community had been clambouring for YEARS to get him appointed, to the point of obsession. Previously people had been calling for Dave Penney (where is he now). The delight of getting SOD in charge was second to none - this is the man everyone had desired, had somehow elevated to God like football status. All over the internet there were cries of "I wanted him years ago", "he saved us last year" "he always plays stunning football" etc etc. Now, dont get me wrong, SOD is a great man, but he is an average manager. His previous achievements illustrate this. I would rank him as similiar a Gary Johnson or Darren Ferguson.
When you get past the online love in for SOD, and think about it logically and sensibly, we should do ok out of this. McLeish's record if far superior to SOD's. He has managed successfully in another country - where titles are demanded. He has managed his country against some of the best teams in the world. He has got a team promoted from the Championship. He has won a cup in England. Has O'Driscoll done any of this ? His two big teams have been Doncaster and Bournemouth. He might talk the talk, say the right things - but where does that get you ? I was against McLeish at the start - but this could turn out to be a very shrewd piece of business. Lets hope so.

disagree theres been more of a clamour for davies back if anything and before that nigel or pearce

 

[It's Baggio]

I can never understand why SOD gets criticized for 'only' having managed Donny and Bournemouth.

 

[Beerest]

Having been on the official Forest site forum originally over ten years ago, and then other Forest forums, you get a good understanding of the online community. People voice opinions differently then they would in real life, get bolder, more full of their own intelligence and most of all like to 'call things' and be 'in the know'.
Against this backdrop, IMO, it was why O'Driscoll has proven to be so falsely and undeseredly popular - the online community had been clambouring for YEARS to get him appointed, to the point of obsession. Previously people had been calling for Dave Penney (where is he now). The delight of getting SOD in charge was second to none - this is the man everyone had desired, had somehow elevated to God like football status. All over the internet there were cries of "I wanted him years ago", "he saved us last year" "he always plays stunning football" etc etc. Now, dont get me wrong, SOD is a great man, but he is an average manager. His previous achievements illustrate this. I would rank him as similiar a Gary Johnson or Darren Ferguson.
When you get past the online love in for SOD, and think about it logically and sensibly, we should do ok out of this. McLeish's record if far superior to SOD's. He has managed successfully in another country - where titles are demanded. He has managed his country against some of the best teams in the world. He has got a team promoted from the Championship. He has won a cup in England. Has O'Driscoll done any of this ? His two big teams have been Doncaster and Bournemouth. He might talk the talk, say the right things - but where does that get you ? I was against McLeish at the start - but this could turn out to be a very shrewd piece of business. Lets hope so.

For a start I would like to be on what you are on - very positive. However, I prefer to look at current performance, not past. O'Driscoll was performing as required and was likely to get better. McLeish was unemployed - for good reasons.

 

[winnits]

Forums being full of posts of people full of their own intelligence, you say?

Agreed

 

[Psycho's Dragon]

I can never understand why SOD gets criticized for 'only' having managed Donny and Bournemouth.

Not good enough for Forest - tin pot

Forgetting completely that if a manager is working their way up to bigger clubs somebody needs to take a chance on them in the first place!

 

[Strummer]

Not good enough for Forest- tin pot

Forgetting completely that if a manager is working their way up to bigger clubs somebody needs to take a chance on them in the first place!

Yes. I remember a famous manager we had, who earned his spurs at Hartlepools United and Brighton & Hove Albion.

 

[Wes' Organ]

Having been on the official Forest site forum originally over ten years ago, and then other Forest forums, you get a good understanding of the online community. People voice opinions differently then they would in real life, get bolder, more full of their own intelligence and most of all like to 'call things' and be 'in the know'.

I've even heard of some people who pop up after 25 posts and tell everyone else how it is, bonkers!

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Yes. I remember a famous manager we had, who earned his spurs at Hartlepools United and Brighton & Hove Albion.

THIS!^

I've even heard of some people who pop up after 25 posts and tell everyone else how it is, bonkers!

:congored:

 

[chap]

Having been on the official Forest site forum originally over ten years ago, and then other Forest forums, you get a good understanding of the online community. People voice opinions differently then they would in real life, get bolder, more full of their own intelligence and most of all like to 'call things' and be 'in the know'.
Against this backdrop, IMO, it was why O'Driscoll has proven to be so falsely and undeseredly popular - the online community had been clambouring for YEARS to get him appointed, to the point of obsession. Previously people had been calling for Dave Penney (where is he now). The delight of getting SOD in charge was second to none - this is the man everyone had desired, had somehow elevated to God like football status. All over the internet there were cries of "I wanted him years ago", "he saved us last year" "he always plays stunning football" etc etc. Now, dont get me wrong, SOD is a great man, but he is an average manager. His previous achievements illustrate this. I would rank him as similiar a Gary Johnson or Darren Ferguson.
When you get past the online love in for SOD, and think about it logically and sensibly, we should do ok out of this. McLeish's record if far superior to SOD's. He has managed successfully in another country - where titles are demanded. He has managed his country against some of the best teams in the world. He has got a team promoted from the Championship. He has won a cup in England. Has O'Driscoll done any of this ? His two big teams have been Doncaster and Bournemouth. He might talk the talk, say the right things - but where does that get you ? I was against McLeish at the start - but this could turn out to be a very shrewd piece of business. Lets hope so.

Fawaz, is that you?

 

[justnotjase]

I've even heard of some people who pop up after 25 posts and tell everyone else how it is, bonkers!

The point of the first sentance was that although im new on this forum, ive been part of the Forest online community for many years
Im merely giving my opinion on it, not intending to tell everyone how it is - I know that the majority will disagree with me - which is fine

 

[Wes' Organ]

The point of the first sentance was that although im new on this forum, ive been part of the Forest online community for many years
Im merely giving my opinion on it, not intending to tell everyone how it is - I know that the majority will disagree with me - which is fine

Apologies, it just read as though you were about to teach us all the error of our ways.

A big part of my upset with the treatment of SoD is that I regularly watch our youth teams and he is always in attendance, he is interested in the club, he would have built a system into the club and he understood the ethos of our club. He has been very unlucky with injuries, had the gambles with Sam Huthinson and Jermaine Jenas (who I believe were both bought in by Keith Burt) paid off we would have been unstoppable.
Sean O'Driscoll has been royally f**ked over by our owners and they will not be getting my blessing for that however anyone wishes to dress it up.

 

[justnotjase]

A big part of my upset with the treatment of SoD is that I regularly watch our youth teams and he is always in attendance, he is interested in the club, he would have built a system into the club and he understood the ethos of our club.

Who is to say McLeish wont do the exact same or even improve on that. I dont think anyone will deny SOD has been very harshly treated tho.

 

[Wes' Organ]

Who is to say McLeish wont do the exact same or even improve on that. I dont think anyone will deny SOD has been very harshly treated tho.

Me, because the pressure for instant results is too great now.

 

[Statto]

Yes. I remember a famous manager we had, who earned his spurs at Hartlepools United and Brighton & Hove Albion.

What, not the same one who won the league with that pisspot down the A52 and took them to the semi finals of the European Cup?

 

[Strummer]

Who is to say McLeish wont do the exact same or even improve on that. I dont think anyone will deny SOD has been very harshly treated tho.

McLeish has got 22 games - 22 - to get us promoted. Or I've no doubt he will be sacked in the summer (hence no questions about "length of contact" today).

We have 36 points now.

We need - conservatively - at least 82 for a chance at automatic promotion, which means we need 46 points from those 22 matches.

Or 2.1 points per match. Or 13 wins, 7 draws and 2 losses (or some permutation thereof).

Anything less is the lottery of the Playoffs (which, if anywhere, is where we might end up).

As Wes says above, there doesn't seem to be the time for the new manager, coming to a squad he doesn't know, to get them changed to play "his way" whilst still being successful.

It can be done - Reading were 19th this time last year - but there are a lot of settled, competitive squads in the Championship this year.

 

[Wes' Organ]

We have 36 points now.

We need - conservatively - at least 82 for a chance at automatic promotion, which means we need 46 points from those 22 matches.

Or 2.1 points per match. Or 13 wins, 7 draws and 2 losses (or some permutation thereof).

Anything less is the lottery of the Playoffs (which, if anywhere, is where we might end up).

That looks surprisingly possible, we have everyone back from injury and look like investing in January, throw in the new manager honeymoon period and who knows?

Money for old rope McLeish.

 

[Psycho's Dragon]

Yes. I remember a famous manager we had, who earned his spurs at Hartlepools United and Brighton & Hove Albion.

Exactly

I really thought SO'D could've gone on to do really great things and Forest would be lauded for being the club who gave him the chance to step up

 

[winnits]

Honeymoon?

 

[Wes' Organ]

Honeymoon?

It's where you get f**ked alot, ring any bells?

 

[winnits]

Ah yeah.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

McLeish has got 22 games - 22 - to get us promoted. Or I've no doubt he will be sacked in the summer (hence no questions about "length of contact" today).

We have 36 points now.

We need - conservatively - at least 82 for a chance at automatic promotion, which means we need 46 points from those 22 matches.

Or 2.1 points per match. Or 13 wins, 7 draws and 2 losses (or some permutation thereof).

Anything less is the lottery of the Playoffs (which, if anywhere, is where we might end up).

As Wes says above, there doesn't seem to be the time for the new manager, coming to a squad he doesn't know, to get them changed to play "his way" whilst still being successful.

It can be done - Reading were 19th this time last year - but there are a lot of settled, competitive squads in the Championship this year.

It's a long shot, but maybe that may be a blessing in discguise and the cross-culture of McCleish and SOD may see us promoted by some freakish miracle?

I'm a big believer that Wenger did so well at Arsenal because his philosiphies worked superb sat atop the foundation of a solid, british spine and defence. Since that disappeared he's not done anywhere near as good. Maybe hoof and kick will compliment the more passing style SOD has tried to implement here, and provide the foundation for it to flourish properly?

As I say, it's a long shot, and I still think we'd have been better off 5 years down the line with SOD here regardless - then I think it would have been the Prem AND had all the other nibbles on top (academy, good footy etc.)

But maybe, just maybe, we can "fluke" this somehow.

Or maybe that bloody beautiful Balvine is starting to kick in

 

[Strummer]

Well, we have to be confident, don't we?

Promotion *IS* achievable. We can do it, with a bit of luck.

Anyway - time for dinner, and to crack open an bottle of 18-year old John Jameson, a thoughtful gift from Santa.

 

[incapable hulk]

I can never understand why SOD gets criticized for 'only' having managed Donny and Bournemouth.

Its the same way people say we should be looking at more players in the lower leagues, but then they say every player we are linked isnt good enough for where we want to be -the premiership.

The mind boggles.

We lost a gem in SOD

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Well, we have to be confident, don't we?

Promotion *IS* achievable. We can do it, with a bit of luck.

Anyway - time for dinner, and to crack open an bottle of 18-year old John Jameson, a thoughtful gift from Santa.

:cheers:

Anything less is certainly not acceptable. So here's hoping.